Would I Be The A-Hole?!

Would you groom a dead dog? Miss your brother’s wedding? BRUSH YOUR DOG AT THE PARK?! Is Kat an a-hole? Has tipping culture gone too far? Well, you gotta listen to the episode for the answers. We also talk about the Irish Terrier and AKC dog show points. 

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She was basically like, oh no, it's fine. I took care of it. I paid them a little money. That's not how it works.

SPEAKER_06 0:53

Dave, hold on. Wait just a second.

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Dancing. All right. Welcome back to your favorite podcast, another grooming podcast. I'm Katie Austin.

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I'm Warner Vera.

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I'm Ronnie Rivera. I'm Kat Grainy.

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And I'm Nathan Austin. I love how excited we get whenever we get it right. It's so small. It's the small things, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:23

I will I feel like we should like go through statistically and like find out how many we get right compared to how many we get wrong. Yeah.

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I don't want to know how much we suck. Okay. We suck a lot.

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Because I leave them in. For the most part, I leave them in.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Oh, I think they're so funny. I honestly think they're hilarious. So definitely.

SPEAKER_06 1:40

I think you're right. They are funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

They are pretty funny. So I think today we are gonna start with. Are we gonna start with this or are we gonna start with or are we gonna start with some Reddits?

SPEAKER_04 1:50

We can start with some Reddits.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Okay, yeah. So we're gonna start with some Reddits. So I think we're gonna call this I Read It on Reddit.

SPEAKER_04 1:57

I read it on Reddit.

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Do we want to say it at the same time? Is there a slogan? Yeah, I read it on Reddit.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

No, I meant I meant jingle. Like it does have a jingle to it. How do you want to say it?

SPEAKER_06 2:06

Maybe we should just say it.

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Okay.

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Ready? Someone has to do a countdown. Okay, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

Three, two, one. I read it on Reddit. What the fuck was that? Who the fuck said that? I read it on Reddit. Or no, Reddit.

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I read it on Reddit. Yeah, I read it on Reddit. I read it on Reddit. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Okay.

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Or is it Reddit on Reddit?

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Which one do you want it to be? Yeah, what do you want? It's up to me. You're the Reddit.

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Yeah, you're the Reddit master.

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It says I right there. It says I didn't know.

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Because that's what I thought. He said Okay.

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I read it on Reddit. Okay, okay.

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Ready? Three, two, one. I read it on Reddit. Good job.

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That worked out. Good job, everybody.

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We're actually pretty in sync, too. I thought. Pretty good. Pretty good.

unknown 2:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:47

This one. Would I be the asshole for hiring a dog groomer for my dead dog? Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Depends.

SPEAKER_04 2:56

Four months ago, my dog got through our backyard fence. She was elderly at 14. Dogs of her breed seldom make it beyond 12 to 13. I never found her and we mourned her passing. Our daughter was a was the most distraught. She is eight. Yesterday, our vet contacted us saying they have our dog. Someone found her injured and cold and brought her to the vet where she passed less than 24 hours ago. She was unkempt, dirty the whole nine. It was pure coincidence. The person who found her brought her to our vet. Besides the crazy long and dirty hair, she's not gross, if that makes any sense. For a dog left to the elements in our ruralish community, she's not injured or bloody or whatever. We collected our dog and she's in a box in our basement right now. She's a mess and needs a groom. We're going to bury her anyways, but we want our daughter to say her last goodbyes. Problem is we don't know if it's appropriate to hire a groomer. Time is kind of of the essence. Her body has already started to become stiff. We don't want our daughter to see her like this, or she will know the last four months were in agony.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

No.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

Would we be the assholes for hiring a groomer to do this?

SPEAKER_02 3:56

No. There are groomers who do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

I would do it if someone contacted me. I don't think you would be the asshole for wanting that. I think you would only be the asshole if you like got upset when people turned you down. Yeah. You know, like I think it's a very kind of thing.

SPEAKER_06 4:11

Really up to the groomer.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

And I don't know if I I think it depends. I don't think I could do the whole body. But if they wanted me to just clean up like the face so it looked more presentable, but I don't know, like maybe if it was like in a certain position, maybe just groom what they could see.

SPEAKER_06 4:27

Could you could you stand it up like a model dog?

SPEAKER_01 4:30

It depends on what hardened position it's in, I'm assuming. Normally, yeah, it's probably on its side.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

So like I would groom it in its position, current position, and maybe no bath though. No.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

I don't know if I would. I don't know. I would feel I think it would depend. I think it would really depend.

SPEAKER_04 4:46

I think if it was a current client and their dog passed and they wanted, you know, then like a f they were having a funeral for it or whatever. Then maybe, but if it was like just a some person that just called me and say, hey, what can you do this? I don't know if I would.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Yeah, it would, I would, I agree with you. If I heard the story, I probably would, because I have an eight-year-old. And well, it's tough.

SPEAKER_01 5:06

I mean, we had our cat. Obviously, the cat didn't have grooming, but like Nathan pushed his eyeball back in for our kids to get hit by him. I well, I think we talked about it. Oh, yeah, I guess for anybody who didn't listen to that episode, he got hit by a car and his eye was not all the way popped out, but enough to be noticeable. Noticeable. So Nathan pushed it back in. But um, I mean, I almost feel like just trim it yourself. It's not like it's moving. Yeah. Like just grab your next thing.

SPEAKER_06 5:34

I think just shoot your shot, right? Maybe there'll probably be groomers that would definitely do it, and there'd be groomers that are like, oh, that's so weird. But I don't think anything's wrong with asking.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

I don't think there's anything wrong either way. I don't think you're wrong by asking, and I don't think you're wrong if you're a groomer and you say no or yes. But I think like maybe it's because I do groom hair, but I'd probably just do it myself and not subject somebody to that. I think I even if I was a groomer, I wouldn't, I wouldn't make someone else think. That's what I mean. But like I feel like I'd do it myself.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

But as a groomer, if someone was to call me and ask me and tell me the reasoning why, I would probably say yes. But I would only groom it the parts you could see. Right. I would basically I'd brush the top layer. It's not like I'm gonna demat your dog. Yeah, make it look pretty enough for your daughter to see it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

But I also wonder if she's putting too much thought into it. Like, is the eight-year-old really gonna look at the dog and be like, he's been in agony for four months? Like, that's I think that's putting a little bit more of an adult thought onto it. Like, if you were just like, hey, he's been out here for the last couple months, living it up, man. It's been a wild dog, he was running with wolves. Yeah, just gotta give it a good story. My kids would have absolutely ate that up. I mean, we have no idea the my son's cat, like really, if how quickly he died, but we were like, it was instant. And he 100% was like, Okay. Yeah, you know, like so I feel like but you never know, right? I think it was probably from his location on everything. Regardless, like he didn't question. Yeah, yeah. You know, we were like it was fast, don't worry. He didn't even feel anything, you know what I mean? And he was like, Okay. So I feel like the eight-year-old probably wouldn't even question it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

I I if I was the owner of the dog, I would just maybe brush the top layer. You're not gonna and also, but the thing to consider too is obviously time is of the essence, but after 24 hours, the body's already starting to decay. So that's yeah, you could brush the hair off with on accident, you know.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

I didn't even think of that.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Yeah, because I mean I've had puppies where I just put them aside, you know, during a delivery and they're already starting to decay when I go back after the whelp's over and they're already starting to their skin's already starting to sloth a little and stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_06 7:45

Poor babies.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

So what about you? You I feel like you haven't oh no, you said you wouldn't.

SPEAKER_04 7:50

If it was a current client that wanted to wanted me to do it, I think I probably would. Right. But I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

Well, I don't know. I think it depends.

SPEAKER_06 7:57

I would do a lot more for a current client. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

But I also think it depends on, yeah, like this situation where the dog, like there's you know, she's like, there's nothing really wrong with it. But I'd probably be like, I'm just gonna trim around like the eyes and the face to make it look more, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 8:11

Was there any update?

SPEAKER_04 8:13

No, there's no update, just people's comments. Everyone's saying not the asshole for asking a groomer to do that. I don't think it's I don't think it's an asshole thing. I definitely don't think it's an asshole thing. Someone said maybe you should try a taxidermist.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

That might be really expensive. They're grooming, yeah. I mean, they're removing expensive. Yeah. I'm like, I don't need a taxidermate, I just need it to not look crazy. But I honestly would probably just tell my kids some story about how it had the most incredible last few months and it was partying and living it up, and like, you know what I mean? And I'm positive when my kids were eight, they would have just been like, that's awesome. Sad, but uh you know, cool for him.

SPEAKER_04 8:54

Okay. Next. Am I the asshole for choosing my dog over my brother's wedding? I have a brother who got married last week, and I unfortunately had to cancel at the last minute because my dog ran out into the street and got hit by a bike. He is now fine, but at the time I'm just like a bike. Um he is now fine, but at the time I had to rush him to the vet and he was in very rough shape. The doctor told me that he will need supervision for the next week, and this happens three days before the wedding, which was a no-pet wedding. My brother made it very clear that this was a no-pet event, and I even told him the situation, but he wouldn't budge. So I told him that I had to cancel and that I would not be attending the wedding due to the fact that I needed to take care of my dog. A few days went by and my family is now upset at me because I didn't show up and that I should have just gotten a dog sitter, but I didn't want to trust a random person or someone I know with this much responsibility because my dog is one of the few things that helped me get through COVID. So am I the asshole for missing my brother's wedding to take care of my dog?

SPEAKER_06 9:47

I think yes.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

I want I have a few follow-up questions, but like it sounds like the dog was just fine. So, like, I probably would have created my dog. And I'm like, was it a destination? Were they like really far away, or was it pretty close?

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Something you can go do for a couple hours.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Yeah, like I I kind of think he's probably the asshole.

SPEAKER_06 10:08

Because that's like one of the there's a very few things where you should always be there for a family, is like a funeral, a wedding. Like, you know, what more is it? Like a a graduation sometimes if it's your siblings or something, you know, like there's but especially brother, that's pretty close.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

It's not like a cousin or like an uncle or yeah, and the dog is fine. And it was hit by a bicycle. Yeah, I was like, well, it's a bike. I was like, is it a murder cycle or is it a bicycle? Well, and he said, My dog is fine. Yeah, and they just said they didn't say like, oh, like they didn't say like, oh, he has stitches or he has a cast and can't run. They just said supervise him for the next week. In my opinion, that would have just been like crating your dog.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Yeah, I mean, that's true. It depend my follow-up question would be like, is it a destination wedding? But even so, if it was a destination wedding, you can bring it to a hotel with a crate. Yeah, and leave it in the hotel. And leave it in the hotel.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Well, and it was three days after, so you would know by the third day if your dog needed the continued supervision. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

But also I'm sure that that was Were you part of the wedding? Or because that would be probably that'd be a different sort of because I think as a sibling to someone getting married, you pr could possibly be part of the wedding. Most likely. Which would make you an ass an extra asshole. Yeah. Like, I mean, me and my older brother aren't that close. But like, if he was depending on me to be there, I would be there. It's still your brother. I probably I wasn't like even invited to his wedding. We did like a wedding thing out here, but he also lives in Colorado. So why did you not get away from the colour?

SPEAKER_01 11:36

So is there any follow-up? No, but it wasn't a follow-up either.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

And it was all the way in Colorado. I know.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Most people agreed he was the asshole. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

Yeah. There's so many things you can do. So many. You could have brought the dog and put some sort of AC unit in your car and go check on it every hour, half hour, whatever. Like get through the ceremony and just go check on it every once in a while and leave early. You know, it's not that big.

SPEAKER_06 12:01

Yeah, but I have a feeling that this person probably doesn't think their dog likes a kennel.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Probably. It's yes, because I would have just crated my dog. But that's important for all the people who get new puppies. I even put it in my contract that you should establish crate training because it is so important. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:18

Every time you point at the camera, I look to see what you're pointing at.

SPEAKER_06 12:21

The camera. You. You there. You crate train your dog. Yeah, I think that's kind of the asshole. And like, I don't know. Not kind of.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

I think that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 12:29

I want to know. I bet you a lot of the people listening though are like, they're not the asshole. The brothers, the asshole.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Most of the comments.

SPEAKER_06 12:35

No, I mean like we're well, we're it's a dog grooming industry, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:37

But I think a lot of the I love my dogs, but still, it doesn't. And now if they had said like the wedding was the very next day and my dog was in critical critical and die, you know, I would feel differently.

SPEAKER_06 12:49

Well, and there's dog people and then there's dog people.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

That's what I'm saying. But most groomers are more on like they understand. We understand that dog. Dogs are dogs.

SPEAKER_04 12:57

You want to read this one?

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Okay. Am I the asshole for telling a guy that grooming his dog in the park is like cutting your toenails in public?

unknown 13:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

Like, is he on is he on the playground?

SPEAKER_01 13:12

You know? Okay, let's see. Okay. I walk in a park next to my house every Saturday. It's not a dog park, but lots of people bring their dogs to walk there. Law is they have to be on a leash. There's a nice paved path for walking and biking. One week my friend and I saw huge clumps of hair all over the walking path. We were like, what the heck? Until we saw a guy brushing his dog and letting the fur fly all over. My friend was quite annoyed, but I just told her to keep walking. Fast forward a few weeks, and we saw another guy brushing his dog. This time my friend insists we go over. I tell him in a very non-confrontational way that dog hair is kind of gross. He says, It's a park. So I replied, Yeah, it's a park. And once I saw someone cutting their toenails in the park, and that doesn't make it okay. He was not receptive at all. So I just told him to maybe think about it, to which he replied, I'll think about it, but I won't stop doing it. Was it the same guy?

SPEAKER_04 14:06

I don't know. I don't know. No, he said another guy.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

I know. It just like I don't think it's the same thing. I mean, how many people go to the park? Go to the park and I don't think I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

I don't think it's the same thing. I do understand being annoyed about it though. Like, say you are somebody with allergies or they're not clean. It's outside. Then why are you? Yes, I understand. It's outside. Yeah, but I mean the dog dander. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:28

You're allergic to dog dander. Then don't go outside if you're allergic to animals. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 14:33

It just seems like the first thing I thought of was like, oh, the birds can be. I would be allergic. Yeah, that's what I thought of too.

SPEAKER_06 14:37

But then I'm not squirrels.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

I also think uh I'm not saying that I also think like I'd want I wanted to approach them.

SPEAKER_06 14:43

Non-confrontation. Guess what?

SPEAKER_07 14:45

It was confrontational.

SPEAKER_06 14:46

You're doing you're being confrontational because you're fucking approaching them. Mind your own fucking business. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

I have a question because I want to know if I'm the asshole or my neighbor is the Do I think it could be annoying?

SPEAKER_06 14:57

Yes, but who fucking cares? It's just dog hair. Just walk past it. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I also see the point. What if there's a hundred people there then and just brushing their dogs? Just hair everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Like I do see the point of why it would be annoying. Because while I do think that birds like the hair, they're not going to collect all of the hair.

SPEAKER_06 15:17

One or two people, I don't think it's a big deal. I think it's the person just But it can spy. I think the person I think it's just the person worrying about other people's fucking business.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

But like I said, I mean they could have a dog danger allergy.

SPEAKER_07 15:28

Well, but then it's funny if they did. It's like those people who record you in public, and it's like, I don't want to be recorded, but you literally walked up to the camera. Yeah. If you're allergic to dog hair, do not walk up to the person who's brushing their dog and all the dog hair is flying everywhere. Okay? Just saying.

SPEAKER_04 15:42

True. Okay, so you're the asshole.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

Am I the asshole? I waited patiently. Um but so I used to blow dry my shepherd in my backyard because of the hair. Right. And I had my neighbor complained that he didn't like the hair flying over the fence. Fuck your neighbor. But like I most of the hair was on the ground, right? There was some hair that flew over the fence, but I also I swept the hair that was in my backyard after I was done.

SPEAKER_06 16:12

I would have to see the level of hair.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

So it was lacy, and so there was a lot of it, but it's not like No, and I mean I would have to see it in his yard.

SPEAKER_06 16:20

Because if I went into my backyard and I'm trying to sit there and there's just like hair flying around everywhere, I'd be pissed.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

But he's never in his backyard, like ever.

SPEAKER_06 16:26

Because there's hair everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

But I also I did this once every like four or five months.

SPEAKER_06 16:32

I don't think like, I don't know. I don't I think you can do what you want in your backyard. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

I think you could do whatever you want in your backyard, but I could also understand being upset if there's hair flying into your backyard.

SPEAKER_06 16:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Because I would probably be upset if I if there was a lot of hair in my backyard.

SPEAKER_06 16:46

Just like with the brushing the dogs in the park. Like, I don't think it it's a big thing. There's not a right or a wrong if there's a hella people and hella hair everywhere, it'd be annoying. But like, I don't know, you can't tell somebody to not brush their dog in their backyard. Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

So it's like it's not very black and white because I could understand I've done that when I've gone to clients' houses when I was doing house calls and I blow dried shepherds in the backyards, and the and if the neighbor had come over and like complained, I would have been like, I don't know what you want me to do. This is the backyard, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 17:17

Like, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

But then at the same time, I could understand if it was my yard and somebody was blow drying it into like my land, you know, like freshly landscaped lawn or something, I'd be pissed. I'd be like, the fuck.

SPEAKER_06 17:30

Yeah, it's just one of those things you gotta deal with.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:32

So maybe you're an asshole.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

But I always try to contain it.

SPEAKER_06 17:38

You could be an asshole in your backyard and there's nothing. Nothing anybody can do it.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

So I would try I move to the center of the yard. My yard's big. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:45

What do you mean? Were you doing it right up against his fence?

SPEAKER_02 17:48

No, I wasn't. I was in like the center of your yard.

SPEAKER_06 17:50

That would change it. That would change it.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

I was in like the center of the yard.

SPEAKER_06 17:54

You said you moved to the center of your yard.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Well, I mean, so I was out. So I have a blow dryer, right? And it can only go so far. But I was over, say, where the sandbox is. So it's not super close to his fence. It's at least 15 feet away.

SPEAKER_06 18:11

Was it the guy on the right or the left? If you're looking at your back fence.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

If I'm looking at my back fence, it's the guy on the right. Wait, if you're looking at your back fence, it was the floor.

SPEAKER_04 18:20

Like looking out the back door.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Like if we're if I'm looking at my back door, it was the guy. So, like, and the power outlet is right next to my sliding glass door, right? And so I would put my I would do it sitting on the cement, kind of where the sandbox is. And so I was at least 10, 15 feet away from the fence.

SPEAKER_06 18:38

So I definitely don't.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

So then I would get an extension cord and move it more towards the back fence, the side fence, the left side. So I always tried to be conscientious of the hair, and I would always pick it up so afterwards it wouldn't fly away. But also I wasn't gonna blow ride.

SPEAKER_06 18:56

If you got a bunch of hair in his backyard, you'd be like, oh man.

SPEAKER_02 18:59

Well, after he can after he complained, I started going to Pet Foo Express and paying to bathe her there.

SPEAKER_06 19:05

But then you could do what you want in your backyard. I know.

SPEAKER_02 19:07

But also he the the thing that bothered me the most was that he peeked over the fence to tell me. I was like, what if I was naked? I hate that.

SPEAKER_07 19:13

I hate that.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

I was like, you can come to my front door if you have a problem.

SPEAKER_07 19:16

My neighbor did that when we first.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

He also doesn't like the cats started going out and he doesn't like the cats. And I said, feel free to spray them or yell at them or you know, throw things at them. I mean, just make them not like your yard.

SPEAKER_07 19:27

But I can't think neighbor's the asshole.

SPEAKER_04 19:29

Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't think you're an asshole for taking care of your dog and grooming your dog in your own backyard. Yeah. Can he be annoyed? Sure, he can be annoyed for the hair, but I don't think you're an asshole for it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

I will afterwards.

SPEAKER_06 19:40

You can do whatever you want in your own backyard. It's your backyard.

SPEAKER_04 19:42

And you you fix the solution. Now you well, she's dead now.

SPEAKER_02 19:45

I was gonna say she's been dead for a long time.

SPEAKER_06 19:47

That's not funny, but you know.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

But times were, I was like, also, like, luckily he didn't peek over the fence, but sometimes I used to bathe her in the backyard in my bathing suit. Like, and that would have been I would have felt violated then. I was only blow drying her because I washed her in the house. Okay, is there another one?

SPEAKER_04 20:07

I know there's a couple more, but do you want to do?

SPEAKER_01 20:09

No, I think we're okay, right? If we need more later, then we'll do it.

SPEAKER_04 20:12

It's been more 20 minutes. It's been 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_06 20:14

I don't know. Is there another good one? Because I found that that was kind of fun. I enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Wanna read any of the saved ones and see?

SPEAKER_06 20:21

Poo-poo-pee pee.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Well, this one I think a lot of people would find interesting just based off the title. Am I the asshole for not tipping dog groomer at first? Yes.

SPEAKER_06 20:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

I don't know. So I mean, I'm on the fence with that one too, because I do feel like tipping culture can be a little out of control in a whole lot of people.

SPEAKER_06 20:39

Actually, when when people don't tip me, I don't, it doesn't bother me.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

That's what I mean. Like, I feel like we're so like, just tip, just tip. It doesn't matter if your service is good or not, just tip me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:47

So I do kind of think though, as the owner, as the owner, I don't mind when people don't tip me. I mind more if my I mind more if uh I would mind more if my employee didn't get tipped.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Well, I didn't to that extent, yes, but I don't like the whole, oh well, you're the owner, so I'm not tipping you. Because like we work we groom the same as everybody else.

SPEAKER_06 21:08

Yes, but it just matters to me more.

SPEAKER_02 21:10

So when I hand the iPad the epit the iPad over to them, I always turn away. So when they're if they click no tip, then it's like so when I don't have to do it while you're watching. When I hand the iPad to them, I say, Oh, there's this option, there is a no option right here. And I point to where the no option is, and then I turn away. I say that every time. You like because I'm not like, hey, there's this option.

SPEAKER_04 21:35

Do it. It's always so awkward. It's gonna ask you a couple questions. I always say that.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

I always say it'll have a couple prompts for you. Um, and then I said there is a no option, and then I turn around and I start talking to the people in the groom room. And then once they're done, I say thank you. Have a nice day, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

So it says now that we thoroughly talked about not tipping, I took two of my dogs to get groomed today. When I went to pay 150 total, the groomer asked if I'd like to tip on card or cash. I said, I'd just like you to ring up the total for the grooming. She said, But do you want to tip on the card or cash? So I asked her to repeat the total and said, That's what I want you to ring up. And she goes, Okay, so no tip. And I said, No. This was extremely activating and kind of an embarrassing experience as there were people right behind me. And I felt put on the spot and made to feel bad with the okay, so no tip remark. When I got home, I told my husband, and he said, While the ladies seem pushy, he does tip when he brings the dogs there. So I went back and tipped them. Was I the asshole for not offering up a tip unprompted?

SPEAKER_06 22:40

I don't think so. Yeah, like not the asshole.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

I think the way that they react to the page.

SPEAKER_06 22:46

I kind of think the groomer in this sense was the asshole.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

I while I do think it's nice to tip your groomer, it is not mandatory.

SPEAKER_06 22:53

And I think the way that the groomer went about that was the saying, appreciated but never mandatory, or what is it?

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Uh yeah, it's appreciated but never mandatory. Uh like of course, if you appreciated your service and you liked it, I appreciate a tip. But like the like, oh, do you want a tip in card or cash? And then them saying, like, ring it up for the total, and then again, like, and then being like, oh, so no tip.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

Yeah. Yeah, I always like I always I always tell them there's no option. I'm just like, there's no option. Okay, thanks. Yeah. Because I never want to be like, okay, yeah, give me a tip, you know. I was like, I appreciate it, but you don't have to. I know I have plenty of older clients that can't. Yeah. They just can and it's not in their budget, and that's totally fine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:35

The screamer's got some balls.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Yeah, I I'm not like that.

SPEAKER_04 23:38

So no tip then? No, no balls.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

But it's funny, if it's for someone else, though, if it's for someone else, I'm always like, oh, would you like to add any gratuity? You know, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Oh, if you're checking out somebody else, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

But like if they need help with the thing, and then and then if they say no, I'm like, okay, no problem. You know? It's always easier for somebody else. Yeah. I can't do it for myself.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

I I will say, like, I am a tipper, even if I receive bad service, I'm awful. I tip, and like I think it's so ingrained in us, and I feel such shame to not tip somebody.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

So, my biggest thing about tipping culture is tipping for not you didn't do anything. That's everybody has that. Like, I even tip like the fucking dip and dots person at the mall, and they literally just took a scoop and put it in a cup and gave it to me, but I still tip them.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

So I have lately, I will say, I have so when we were at Tacoma, actually, you know how they have like the food stand? You literally pick up the food yourself and go bring it to the register and they ring you up and there's a tip thing. Yeah. Or even if you get the chicken tenders, they just put them in the tray and hand them to you, but they didn't make it, somebody else makes it and brings it over. And then those I'm always curious, are they tipping the cooks in the back? Or are they tipping all they probably all spin them? So if if I get like the chicken tenders and they had to do give me the thing, I'll do like a small tip. But if I just walked up and picked the picked up the cold sandwich that was just sitting there and I go over and check out, I'm I've started writing zero because like I feel like tipping culture has become very much lately. Yeah. Where like saying you'll just go and check yourself out and there's a tip thing, and I'm like, dude, what is this? Yeah, nobody provided me a service.

SPEAKER_06 25:19

I always tip no matter what. I think it's good karma.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Sometimes, yeah, sometimes it's it's crappy, but you know what about you? Do you always tip?

SPEAKER_04 25:27

I if they ask, like when I go to Dutch Bros and they say, Do you want a tip? and they're holding the iPad, then I was like, Oh yeah, dollar. Yeah. But if they don't if I don't like, I don't feel obliged to do it every time.

SPEAKER_07 25:39

So uh if it's like if you stand to order or certain things are super quick and stuff like that, it's like no. I if you're nice to me, I'll like throw like all our money at you. I'm like, I'm like, here, here, take it, take it out, and I'll like give me more money to give to them.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

But like every little place has a tip thing, no matter how the airport.

SPEAKER_07 25:56

The airport. You tip your you ask for a tip when you when I got the water myself and no one helped me and exactly. So that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

That's why those are the times when I put zero in where I'm like, this is crazy. I'm not tipping for this.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

But there's always times I do tip. Yes, I always tip at restaurants, even crappy tip service.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

20% too, and I always I'm like, I can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 26:15

Sometimes I do 18 cent 18% if it's really, really crappy, but most of the time 20 to 25. Yeah. And um services like if you do my hair or something like that. Like a dog roomer, I'd have to tip because they're putting so much work into it, you know?

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Yeah, you know what's weird? My hairdresser, so my hairdresser opened up her own salon last year. She does not accept tips anymore. So I've all she's done my hair for like the last 10 plus years, and at her other place, she always took tips, but she explicitly told me when she opened up her new salon, I do not accept tips anymore. I charge what my time is worth. I no longer accept tips.

SPEAKER_06 26:51

And I was you pay more or less than before. I pay more. So she just factored in.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

Yeah. Overall, yeah. Oh no, overall, you mean with tip? No, probably similar. Okay. So but uh I thought that was super, super interesting. I mean, when I go get my hair done, it's like over $500. Yeah. So she's charging a flat sum. So I don't go, I only go like two or three times a year.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

Yeah, I don't ever expect a tip. Like I don't factor that into my my payroll kind of thing. You know, it's just I just like it's appreciated and I'm grateful. But you know, and I also I make sure I tip out the bathers from that and everything. Sorry. Um but but it's never expected. But I always I'm a I'm generally a good tipper, sometimes an over tipper. Like where tattoo artists, I usually tip him 50% at least. Damn. But I appreciate him, and he I feel like he might do a better job or take his time more, you know. If I'm a good tipper, you know?

SPEAKER_01 27:51

That's how I feel anyway. I yeah, unless I'm getting something really, really huge that I'm like, okay, I can't afford a 50% tip on that. But usually I do tip our tattoo guy really good. But same, I want him to take me and like do a really good job.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

I feel like if you do tip, it it makes you more people are like I've had waiters at restaurants say, Oh, I'll take that table, right? Because they recognize you or something, or um, and they give you really good service, or like the tattoo guy or give you extra stuff, or give you extra stuff. You know, I we feel like I I appreciate them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Well that remember that I feel like at Nijo Castle when we used to go all the time, we always got like the most spectacular service because we tipped good.

SPEAKER_06 28:31

All right, let's move on.

SPEAKER_04 28:32

Wait, one I was like, I get upset when people don't tip if they're like 20 minutes late and you take them anyway. Yeah, if I was fully booked and they're like, please, please, please, and I like squeeze them in. Yeah. Or like I'm doing them like a solid and it's like, wow, okay, I'm never doing that for you ever again.

SPEAKER_06 28:51

100%.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

So I do get upset when that happens.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

That's absolutely with you on that. That's that's 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:57

Where like or like if the dog is naughty and you're like, hey, I'm gonna take a little longer, the dog needs a break, and I'm like, you know, it's like it's like you're doing all these you're going above and beyond.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

The dog's matted and you demat it.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Yeah. Yeah. And they're just like, meh.

SPEAKER_07 29:10

It's like we could have we could have charged you the fee, the full fee. You could have just tipped us five bucks and we could have charged you the fee. Well, and like we said, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Like a tip is supposed to be when you're extra appreciative of your service. So then it feels like when you take a dog late or you put in all this extra work, they wanted their dog extra long, but it was tangled, and you you brushed it out where somebody else, you know, they're like, oh, the last person said they were gonna shave it, and you're like, oh, this isn't that bad, actually. And you brush it out. You know what I mean? And then they don't tip, and you're like, okay, well, generally going above and beyond.

SPEAKER_07 29:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

And because that's what a tip is supposed to be for. Hey, I really appreciate you. You did a phenomenal job. So I get that, like, I agree with that. Where for the most part, I don't care. I'm like, cool if you tip me great. If you don't, no biggie. But those situations piss me off. Like that client that was 40 minutes late.

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SPEAKER_06 30:36

Who's reading the dog breed or who's doing the dog breed?

SPEAKER_01 30:39

They're gonna do it. You want to read anything?

SPEAKER_06 30:42

No.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

It's actually pretty short.

SPEAKER_06 30:44

No.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Okay. Sorry?

SPEAKER_03 30:46

He said which is dogging.

SPEAKER_06 30:47

I don't read unless I have to.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Okay, so today's breed is the Irish Terrier. So let's learn that breed. Wow, we did it. Okay, so this is one of the oldest terrier breeds, a descendant of Britain's ancient rough-coated black and tan terrier. The Irish Terrier first appeared at dog shows in 1875, and within a decade was one of the most popular breeds in Britain. In the 1800s, Irish Terriers arrived in America where they became equally popular. During World War I, they were trained as messenger dogs.

SPEAKER_06 31:26

That's so sick.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

The Irish Terrier is sturdy, strong, and stylish. It differs from other terriers in its rectangular proportions. This is an animated, wiry dog with moderately long legs and small arched feet. It is covered in a crisp red coat. The head is long with a flat skull, flat cheeks, strong jaws, and a black nose. Small dark eyes create an intense expression. The small V-shaped ears fold forward. The dog tail is set high and not curled. No gays.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

No gaze.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Well, so I I did have that on my cool facts about the messenger dogs, but um also another cool fact I had about them, but the early Irish terriers came in different colors. They weren't all red. Well, they came from that that uh black and tan, right? Yeah. But like um, they came in multiple colors back then. But I really one of my favorite things about them is their red coat now.

SPEAKER_06 32:28

Yeah. And uh among AKC dogs, they are number 149 in popularity out of 205.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

The Red Devil, it says. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 32:39

You know what? There's different colors on here. On the description on AKC, there's three colors. There's red Wheaton and Red Wheaton. Red Wheaton and Red Wheaton.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

Super interesting that they were World War I messenger dogs. Yeah. Like that's really cool.

SPEAKER_06 32:55

I actually like them a lot. I like the Irish Terrier.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

And they can be used in competition, but I heard they're not very competitive.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Well, so I think an entry and intermediate, they are fairly competitive. Open is just it's similar to like we've talked about several, right? Like the Glen of A Mall or the Karen. They don't have as much of a pattern. Um, so I just don't find them as competitive. Uh, they also don't grow as much coat as quickly, right? So, like where other dogs you can turn around and redo them if for a competition more often, they they are like a slower growing dog, I would say. Similar to like the while, I do think the Australian terrier is a more competitive dog, they are very slow growing. Like I know Robbie will be like, I've been growing this one for six months, you know, and I'm like, dude, it looks like not that growing, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 33:48

Like a month's worth of work. Yeah. Okay, uh, so this is my new thing, right? Is checking on uh top the top uh 20 of the breed. How fast do you think the top they are long legs?

SPEAKER_01 34:00

I feel like they're pretty fast.

SPEAKER_06 34:02

20 miles an hour.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Are we going prices right rules?

SPEAKER_06 34:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

No, I'm just kidding. 21, no, 22 miles per hour. That wasn't the same.

SPEAKER_04 34:12

21. Uh you say 20? 21, 22.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

Okay, what are you gonna guess? No. Okay. Uh 24.83. Oh but there's only one on there. It is not a champion, though, but it is a red branch dog, so I know she breeds nice dogs. She does, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:30

Oh, is that um Elena, yeah. Elena, yeah, she breeds really nice.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Red branch kinky boots.

SPEAKER_04 34:37

So you they're allowed two hours in the grimming ring.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:42

But they don't have a lot of like but you gotta do their legs and their flat.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Yeah, they're flat work. You do have to do the legs, yeah. And they're a moderate size. Yeah, they're not tiny. So I think it's a fine two hours is fine for them. I you know, because I think don't you get two hours for Karen too? You get terror two hours for a Wirefox and they're smaller. Oh, well I think wirefox is much more detail work though.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Yeah, but I mean it they still have flat work and they still have legs and all that, but this dog is almost double the size. Well, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

I just think they're a much easier strip.

unknown 35:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:18

Well, sometimes people take them all the way down, and and sometimes you see them with a little bit of furnishings. I like them with a little tiny bit, you know? Like uh in competition, sometimes you'll see them and people will take them just all the way down.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:32

I've always liked the way when I see Elena's dogs, she keeps a little tiny bit of furnishings on the legs, a little bit on the it just makes them look like.

SPEAKER_04 35:41

They have like an under they have an underline, like a it's it's it's mainly to for depth.

SPEAKER_06 35:47

But uh I mean they can have just the tiniest bit just to help uh like s bring everything together. Okay. But like with the schnauzer too, right? You could technically like take it off. It's like a style choice as long as the depth of chest is good.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Have they ever won a best and show at Westminster?

SPEAKER_06 36:02

They have never won best in show at Westminster, which I feel like they should.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

You know, something I find interesting about the Irish Terrier, and I mean it's it's interesting, it's not that interesting, but um, the first time I saw an older Irish Terrier is like they go white and like but they go white.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Yeah. Like it may that's one of the reasons I don't think I'll ever own one. I don't like that. And it's not an easy color to dye. So yeah, because some of them will go like early.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

I'm trying to see if I can find like a photo of one.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

Uh if you look on uh Elena's Facebook, um, she had that older one that passed away. Can you see the white though? Yeah, hold on.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yeah, I'm I don't love it. I mean, obviously it's just you know they're so funny.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

If you encounter uh she also has puppy pictures, if you encountered one of these, like say you would just say, Oh, it's a Malinwall mix, you know, like a newborn puppy. They're so cute, but they you they just don't look the same.

SPEAKER_06 37:02

Yeah. Well, with like um I think bell uh Bellington Beddington's um puppies are the yeah, craziest looking. You know, they're just like little black dogs and all of a sudden they turn all white. Very pretty dogs. I mean, it's wearing a coat.

SPEAKER_02 37:17

Yeah, look how gray its face is and its legs.

SPEAKER_06 37:20

I actually really like Irish Terriers. The couple got uh um some one of our uh bathers, Zach. He wants one.

SPEAKER_02 37:28

It was a breed that I like had considered at one point in time. I remember after you met like Elena's at that one shop that one uh workshop. You're like, oh, I really want one.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

I I like them. I think they're very beautiful, I think they're very cool dogs.

SPEAKER_06 37:42

I would have got one, I would have been more into them if they were a little bit more technically um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

They're very pretty.

SPEAKER_06 37:49

They are very pretty.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

They are pretty wait, show me that photo again, Nathan. See, that beard is not that long.

SPEAKER_06 37:55

No, their beards are never that long.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Brutalized.

SPEAKER_06 37:58

Brutalized, yeah. Okay, so like if you didn't hear in the episode before, I I I took down an um Irish Terrier's beard once and I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

You didn't take it down, you just like cleaned it up.

SPEAKER_06 38:11

Not even trimmed out or stripped it, but like they were like, It has like brutal wire on the face, basically.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

It has like a goatee. Brutal layer.

SPEAKER_06 38:16

Very cool dogs. I like them a lot. You know, all these terriers have been like, yeah, they're cool, they're cool, but this is the first one where I'm like, yeah, Irish Terrier.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

They're very cool.

SPEAKER_06 38:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

I'm sure so the thing is like also when I say like, oh, a dog's not competitive and open, it's not necessarily because they're not a good dog, right? Because like an Irish Terrier, it is technical, like while certain, you know, they don't have as much furnishings and different things like that, it is technical. The thing is, is the details, knowing you knowing the details and the judge knowing those details. So for those more rare breeds, like the Irish Terrier, the Karen Terrier, or the you know, like the Glen of them all, is your not that judges don't try to be as knowledgeable as they can, right? But they just might not know that much about that dog. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 39:01

So then like bringing a like if the goal is competition or something.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

Right. You know, so like that is, you know, like obviously I'm sure they'll try to gather as much information as they as they can if they don't know, but you know, like there's only so much you can learn right then and there, right? You know, so like even if they're like, oh, that Karen is gorgeous, but like I don't know enough about yeah, they might not be confident enough to place that, even if it, you know what I mean? You're like, no, but this is right. Yeah. You know.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

So you guys have uh you guys judge internationally. Do do you guys get like a list of what's gonna be in the ring like beforehand, so you could like freshen up or like know what's going on?

SPEAKER_06 39:41

No, if we do or if we if we are come across the dog that we're not a good idea though. If we do come across a dog we're not familiar with, then we s within that time that from competition is two hours, right? Yeah, so we have two hours to pick the judge. To confer with uh other judges and also like breeders reach out to, read the standard. So we make steps to like educate ourselves as best as we can. Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Yeah, because that would be a time where I'd reach out.

SPEAKER_06 40:08

There was a dog in Canada that I was like, oh, I'm not very familiar. It was a barbette, right? It was a barbette. And I'm like, I'm I wasn't judging, I was just on the judging panel. And like, so we you we took the time to try to brush up on it as best as we can.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

But you know, but then yeah, there's only so I like you know, if that was if I was in that position, I would probably have messaged somebody I know that breeds them and asked questions and asked if they had any photos that I could reference or you know, do my best to be as a you know as aware as I could.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

But yeah, when you come to photos and stuff, I always look up like one of the first things I do is look up photos of like Westminster Best of Breed of that breed or national dog championship of that breed, just so I get like, oh, this is something, yeah. Yeah, get an idea.

SPEAKER_04 40:55

Yeah, yeah, they should do that though, because it's like you sign up and you put your brain. That's a really good idea.

SPEAKER_02 41:00

People do change it though, like their dog draw down.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

But at least if you have a preliminary, you know, and then if somebody does change their dog, it's not, you know, obviously you do your best, but at least having that preliminary, so if there is any odd breeds on there that you're like, oh, I don't, I should brush up on that. That's actually a really good idea. I think I will be asking places where I'm competing if I could have it doesn't have like not a competitor list, but just or judging, yeah. If I could have just a list of the dogs they signed up for just as a you know what you guys should do?

SPEAKER_07 41:33

You guys should make a cool binder or whatever that you just travel around with you for all competition dogs that are allowed in the ring, and then have the standard, the haircut, everything in a little book that you guys take with you every time you go judge so you can keep it with you in a cute little thing, and Kathleen can hold it, and you guys can flip down. Yeah, reference to and reference it just in case. Like it's like any dog that is eligible to compete right now is in this binder, and you'll have everything to it, you know? And you guys really hella smart to be like, yeah, we have our binder just in case.

SPEAKER_06 42:00

Yeah, just in case. And in different countries, we'll have we'll different dogs are smart thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:06

Is each country we go to has different standards?

SPEAKER_07 42:08

Well, you can have your standards for all that's like we've judged at these countries, so we have the standards for all these.

SPEAKER_06 42:13

Yeah, like the Scotty, the way they grimm the Scotty in Europe. I am not a fan, but I got it.

SPEAKER_01 42:18

Well, I don't want to say all of Europe. The way they grimmed the Scotty in Scotland that we saw.

SPEAKER_06 42:24

Well, in the right way. Well, and we well, the way we've seen it in Gromania, how people were competing with Scotty, like I wasn't a fan. But um But then you gotta you gotta take into account like you're not in America. We're yeah, we're in another country, so you have to look at their standard and their grooming, their grooming norms, right? And judge to that.

SPEAKER_04 42:46

Are there big differences? Like like like the batty head is like very different, but like one of the major differences is the eyebrows.

SPEAKER_06 42:52

Like sometimes they'll grow the eyebrows all the way like beyond and like where they're just like totally long. Oh wow, and um I mean in America people do long accentuated eyebrows, but not to that extent. And it it to me it changes the it changes the whole head piece and looks out of balance to my eye. Yeah, but I don't look at that all the time.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

Well, so like we get a lot of complaints on our Scotty videos from people from other countries that say stripping the top of the head is torture unless they're Wheatons. Or why Wheatons have a higher pain tolerance? Exactly though. And that's they'll be like, we don't do that to our blacks and brindles, we only do that to the Wheatons. And I'm like, they are not, they're the same. So like if you're okay doing it to the Wheatons so that their color is indifferent, I don't understand what the difference between the black and the brindle is. So like that just already doesn't make any sense because that's what the woman said when we did our Scotland class. She was, I was like, Oh, we stripped the top of the head because they shaved it. And she was like, Oh, well, I don't torture my dogs. And I was like, Okay, my dogs. Heads all get stripped from the time they're puppies. Nobody's ever fought me or screamed or cried. So like I don't think I'm too much. Do they do flat work? But I think that they shaved their cheeks and the Scotties.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

I mean like another breeds. Yes. So just on Scotties, they're just such babies.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

The legs they lifted the hair and like shaved the legs.

SPEAKER_06 44:20

But that also might be just that one breeder.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

But we got we have gotten comments on lots of our videos where if we're stripping the top of the head, they're like, Why are you torturing him by stripping the top of the head? We only do that to weekends. And I'm like, that just doesn't make sense to me.

SPEAKER_06 44:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:36

So the those are the two big differences. Some people will lift the hair up and shave the legs and just let the hair lay down. And same thing. They say, like, oh, I'm not gonna torture the dogs. And I'm like, my dogs don't care.

SPEAKER_06 44:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

You taught you teach them from a young age. They're fine.

SPEAKER_06 44:53

Yeah, but you know, that's just the difference. And like, you got, but you know, that's just the way they do it.

SPEAKER_01 44:58

So which uh so if they were if that's what they just said, like, oh, that's just the way we do it, that'd be fine. But I just don't like them saying, Oh, I don't like torturing my dogs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Because other saying you torture your torture.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Well, not just that, but other terrier breeds, they're fine with plucking the legs. So why is it torture to Scotties? They're a tough terrier. You know what I mean? So, like or it's okay to do the Wheatons, but not blacks and brindles.

SPEAKER_06 45:23

Also, the top of their head is not a sensitive spot.

SPEAKER_01 45:25

It's not.

SPEAKER_06 45:26

It is not. Like, I've never had a Scotty when I was working on the top of their head and they were like, ugh, react.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

Never.

SPEAKER_06 45:32

It's like was the farther you get down onto their stomach, you know, they're down the rib cage, they get more sensitive sometimes, or maybe around the butt or on their rear, yeah. But never the top of the head. I've never had a dog react to the top of the head. Unless you're like, I mean, maybe the they're just ripping too much hair out at a time or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

Anyways.

SPEAKER_06 45:49

That was Irish Terrier.

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SPEAKER_01 46:36

Um, okay. Well, I don't what did we say before uh confirmation information? But we say it means it's just that, right? Or is it time for or is it we can say it's time for.

SPEAKER_04 46:49

Yeah. We should have a master list for all these.

SPEAKER_01 46:51

Yeah. Okay. Okay. It's time for confirmation information.

SPEAKER_06 46:58

I forgot your I hated that. Actually.

SPEAKER_04 47:03

That was more nerdy this time than last time.

SPEAKER_01 47:05

I think we were more in sync. Yeah. Yeah. So today we're gonna break down points.

unknown 47:11

Woop whoop.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Prepare your mind.

SPEAKER_04 47:13

Yeah, prepare your mind. Prepare your mind.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

I do apologize in advance because I do feel like talking about points can be mind-numbing a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 47:21

No, it could be really simple. It could be.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

No, but I'm just no, it is complicated.

SPEAKER_02 47:27

Points can be very complicated. Yeah, they're a little hard to understand, and that's why we're going through them. Right. Um, but um, not Nathan. Uh, Juan is when during editing is going to put a nice flow chart for you to follow along.

SPEAKER_07 47:41

Yes. If you're watching, if you're watching.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

If you're watching, so go on YouTube and watch us.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

Yeah, if you are listening and you're like, this is fucking confusing.

SPEAKER_04 47:48

You can also watch us on Spotify.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:51

Um, but the thing with Spotify, okay, so YouTube, I schedule it and it releases uh in the morning. With Spotify, I have to wait until the next morning to upload it. So Spotify's video is always out a little bit later.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

Is it a little spotty?

SPEAKER_04 48:05

Yeah.

unknown 48:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:07

Okay. So first we are gonna go over champion points. So a champion uh points are earning your dog's championship. So from puppyhood from zero to nothing. So when you're first starting.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

Yes, championship points, right? So you have your your 15 points, is what you're supposed to get for your dog to become a champion. You have to have two major wins. So that's uh three to five points. Yep. So five points is the max amount you can get in one show. One show, one win. Um, and so I think probably a lot of people get confused because there's so many different categories you can sign up for, right? So you want to list the categories?

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Yes. So there are several categories, and this goes by gender. So um a dog is a male and a bitch is a female. So you how dare you! Blasphemy. Um, so each category has the same amount of subcategories you can enter your dog in. So usually the basic ones are age brackets, right? So six to nine months, nine to twelve, twelve to eighteen, and open, which is any dog over eighteen months. And your dog has to be in that category before. So, say if you have a nine-month-old puppy, the day it turns nine months, it has to be in the nine to twelve. Because if you win and somebody complains, they will take your points together.

SPEAKER_06 49:34

We've talked about that, right? Talked about that.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

Okay, but, anyways, and there's also other categories such as bread by, uh, amateur owner handler, American bread, and American bread uh and novice, and those are just other categories. So the only reason that you I mean, there's several reasons you can enter any of these categories, but me as a breeder, I can enter like if I have two bitches I'm showing, I can enter one in Bread Buy and one in its age class or novice or owner handler or any of those categories. So that way um I can show two puppies basically at the same time. But if you win both those categories, so once all these categories are categories are done, then the puppy, then all the bitches or all the dogs in their category go into the ring together, and they are all judged against each other, but they don't re-examine them most of the time. Sometimes if they're comparing two dogs, they can ask you to put them on the table so they can re-examine them. But mostly they'll sometimes just make you go around. Sometimes they don't well, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 50:47

So I mean I always re put them on the table and feel like an idiot.

SPEAKER_01 50:50

For the most part, they don't, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

And so they already have an idea they pretty much pretty much have an idea in their head already. Yeah, and who they're gonna pick.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

Sometimes they well, especially for like terriers, maybe they'll have them spar against each other or different things like that. But I do think they generally have a good idea of what they want.

SPEAKER_02 51:09

Um and some judges are more thorough than others, but so then out of all the dogs from each subcategory, one is selected from that category, and that's winner's dog or winner's bitch, depending on the gender. And that is the only dog who gets points. Yes. So depending how many are entered, it gets the points off the other puppies.

SPEAKER_01 51:32

And depending on how many each state has their own point schedule.

SPEAKER_02 51:39

Yes, and you can look that up on AKC. So there is a reserve winner, so basically it's like second place to that, but they don't get points unless you're at a specialty. So that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

It has to be super confusing. Yeah, so really I didn't think it would have to just be like double. It would have to be. But it can't just be any specialty. Yeah, like national's specialty. It's national specialties. Um, but there has to be enough dogs entered, it has to be double the amount. So if it's it's but it doesn't even have to be a five-point, it could be a three-point or a four-point at a at a major.

SPEAKER_06 52:15

Oh, so it's only if it like is a major or more?

SPEAKER_02 52:18

Uh it has to be a major. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think it has to be. I think it has to be double a five-point major, but don't quote me on that. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 52:26

Yeah, I'm not 100%. I thought I swear somebody recently told me they got a three-point reserve major. So that's why.

SPEAKER_04 52:33

So does the winners and reserve get the same amount of points?

SPEAKER_02 52:36

That would only, it's only at national specialties. Only at national specialties. So it's uh look it up before you.

SPEAKER_06 52:43

Yeah, I'm not uh positive on the that because I just never I mean it's not like you're gonna buy your first puppy and then go in and then all the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

At a national specials, you know, I mean you might it's happening. You never know. It's happened. But, anyways, so then after for getting champion points afterwards, the the two, the winner's dog and winner's bitch, go into the ring with the specials who are already champion dogs. And so those dogs are trying to get best of breed.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

Yes. So technically the winner's dog or winner's bitch could also get best of breed or best opposite sex, but generally they're just in there to try and get best of winners.

SPEAKER_02 53:24

And best of winners, say the male dogs have uh a major, but the females only have like one or two dogs that dog can get what's called a crossover major or crossover points. They can take the whoever has the most points, whoever gets best of winners, gets that same amount of points. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

So it's nice if say you are some breeds are very like heavy in one gender and they don't have a lot of the other. Yeah. So, like, you know, sometimes you'll go and it'll be like 10 bitches, one boy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:59

And so, you know, is that what that rule is was put in for?

SPEAKER_02 54:02

Yes. Yes, because uh especially in heavy breeder areas, they tend to have a lot more bitches than they do dogs, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:10

But we need dogs because we need dogs to breed to. Yeah. So that's why if you get best at winners, you'll get the same points as the bitches because technically you are the best of both the bitches and the dogs. No, you're that dog beat the bitches too. So, or whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:28

So in low entry breeds, we kind of touched on this at our last episode, but you also can get champion points by going to the groups. And if you win over any dog who had, say, a five-point major or even three-point major, you can get that major from getting a group placement.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

Because you beat a different breed that beat all their breed. Beat all their breed. So your dog was better than that dog. Yeah. Which doesn't happen super often, but it does happen.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

Yeah. So for like really low entry breeds that only have one or two of them, that's how they get their their champion points or grand champion points. Right.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

So once you get your 15 champion points, uh, AKC has to record it, but as long as everything goes according to plan, nobody's complained. You didn't get points pulled. Um, your dog is a champion.

unknown 55:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

Congratulations. You did it. So at this point, you could retire your dog if you feel like it. Maybe your dog doesn't love showing, maybe you don't have the money or the time, or maybe, you know, whatever, right? There's lots of reasons. Sometimes people just want to breed them. They don't want to have to go beyond that. And you don't have to. That's great.

SPEAKER_06 55:41

Um, and I feel like in general, right? Like finishing a dog is like a a bar that uh mostly every dog or breeder dog should pass. Should pass, right? Like you shouldn't be breeding. I don't in general, you shouldn't be breeding a dog if it hasn't finished this championship.

SPEAKER_02 55:58

So because it's yeah, it's saying that your dog is up to par enough with the breed standard to become a champion. So you can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 56:04

If your dog can't earn Well, the I was gonna say the thing that for me, right? I do think that there are plenty of breeders that could that know enough about their breed that they could say, this dog is beautiful, this dog would finish, and maybe they're correct. Well, yeah, you know, like that dog is no, no, there are people that I think could do that, right? But I also think that there's a lot of breeders who think they could do that, and they're like, no, I am breeding to type, and they're really not. And so that's why I think getting your dogs finished, you're proving that you think your dog that your dog meets the breed standard.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

Because there are plenty of kennel blind uh breeders out there who basically that just means that they think their dog is the best of the best, but it's not.

SPEAKER_01 56:48

Although there unfortunately is dogs that finish that shouldn't, shouldn't sometimes just well that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_06 56:56

There's there's a time and a place, and and there's always exceptions. Well, right. There are there are times when people think their dog is the shit and they think they know and their dog isn't the shit and they don't know. And they think and there's people that like of all types, right? So but I think a good rule of thumb for most people is uh if you're buying a dog from somebody, the parents should be finished champions. Yes. What I mean is like there are exceptions, right? Like if you're getting if you're getting a dog from somebody like a somebody, a pillar within the breed, yeah, they understand, you know. But for me, a good rule of thumb is that both the parents should be finished. And health tested, yeah. And health tested. You know, you sometimes you'll get a client that comes in and is like, hey, uh, my dog comes from champion lines. Its great grandfather was a champion. Yeah. And I'm like, that means nothing. That means nothing. It takes one litter, one generation to totally go.

SPEAKER_02 57:48

Well, not only that, there are some breeders who only show their dogs, so they're only getting points off their dogs. They'll enter their crappy dogs just to get their dogs champion points.

SPEAKER_01 57:58

It uh yeah, you do see there are regions where like somebody's just a prolific breeder and they get all their points just competing on their own dogs. And you know, like that does happen.

SPEAKER_06 58:09

There's no perfect system.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

There's no perfect system. Do your research.

SPEAKER_06 58:12

Yeah, do your research, due diligence. I knew you were gonna say that.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

Understand the breed standard. Anyway, okay, so after you have a champion, then you can go for your grand championship. And so that's 25 points. How many majors is it?

SPEAKER_02 58:27

Three, I believe.

SPEAKER_01 58:28

I was gonna say I thought it was three. Um and champion defeats. Two, is it two champion defeats, or is it more? Off the I can't remember off the top of my head, but so that means you have to be other champions, not just the class dogs and bitches. You have to be already champions. So when everybody's in the ring together, the champions and the winner's dog and winner's bitch, the judge will pick uh best of breed, a best of winners, best opposite sex, and then select dog, select bitch. And so um obviously best of breed is who they think is the best of the best.

SPEAKER_02 59:08

So it's 25 points, three majors, they all have to be under three different judges, and they must delete uh defeat, defeat just only one over champion. Really one?

SPEAKER_01 59:21

I swear it used to be two.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

I thought it was two, but you know maybe they changed it recently. But um So you can't just get all your points off puppies, basically.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

You have to be at least one champion. So best of winners is obviously the best of the two winners dog winners bitch. Best of opposite sex, I feel like it's pretty straightforward. It's the best opposite sex to best of breed. Yeah. Um, and then select dog select bitch, one is not better than the other. It's essentially just I'm gonna say it's like second place. Yeah. Because I feel like best of breed is like first place, best opposite sex is like 1.5. Yeah. And then select dog select bitch are tied second place. There's not, you know. And then sometimes you can get like award of merit or different things like that, but those are non-pointed. Non-pointed. They're mostly at specialties.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

So but it's basically like good job. Your dog, your nicer than the other.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

And so for breed, you get points for each dog, class dog, class bitch, every dog in the ring. Every dog in the ring, the bitches, the champions. Who does that? A champion already, or for grand champion? For best of breed. So they get points on every dog in the that was in that breed ring that day.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:27

Even if they're beating all of them, yeah. Even if it was winner's dog or winner's bitch, if they were selected for best of breed, they get all the points off everyone. All the points, because they beat everyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:36

Best opposite sex will only get points for their gender, for beating every dog of their gender. So all if it's a bitch, they would get points for every champion bitch and all the class bitches.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:50

So do you think um it's this is just a question that popped into my mind. Do you think it's easier to be successful with if you get two dogs of equal quality, do you think it's easier to be successful with a male than a female?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

It depends on the breed.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:05

Because I feel like breeders are gonna try to finish their bitches more than anything else, right? I do feel like there's less males, and so you stand out, right? And like you're um like for a newbie, I feel like it might be a lot of times people don't want males, but that might be an easier way to get in and be more. I mean, I mean it's all circumstance.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

I think for the most part, yes. And I do think I think generally breeders will keep the best bitch. So if you do get a bitch, you're probably getting the second, even potentially the third best bitch in the litter. And I think that a lot of times breeders will finish their dogs and then maybe have a litter or two and then bring them back out and get their grand or or you know, take them out and really special them. So I do think if you have a male, you have a better opportunity to continue specialing them. Because they can breed and special at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:03

Right. And I do for them. I do feel like um males are campaigned more often because so sent out with handlers and stuff because you can you can ship semen back to bitches, right? But you can't, you know, have a litter and just bounce right back.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

Yeah, so it can be a little bit harder. But um, and then select dog, select bitch, obviously. They're again similar to the best opposite sex. They're only getting points off their gender minus best opposite sex. Yes. So all the dogs and best of breed.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:34

All the dogs below them.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:34

What's the difference between best of breed and best of winners?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:38

Uh winners are the class dogs. Oh, that's right, that's right. That's right, that's right, that's right. Just the best of winners' dog or winner's bitch.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:44

You said it's like not second place, but it's kind of like second place, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

No, best wait, or select is like second place in my opinion. Yeah. Second place too. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:54

I'm around this all the time. I hear these two talk about this shit all the time, and I still don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:58

I was I was gonna say, lit like looking at this chart at and hearing you guys, it like it's making sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:04

Yeah. Well, I think having a visual really helps.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:08

Let me see.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

So the only reason is they texted it. The only reason they put it in this order is because that's how they line it up. So best of winners is not better than best opposite sex select dog or something. It is not second place. I've seen some people. Yeah, we've heard somebody say that, and that's not what it is. It's just you're the best of the winner's dog winner's bitch. But that's just how they line them up. So you know what so the judge knows who they're handing their ribbon to. They make sure that they get the appropriate ribbon.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:35

Nah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

But wouldn't it's kind of like best of breed for class dogs only. Yes. If non-champion dogs, non-champion dogs. It's like best of breed for non-champions.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:44

Yes, got it. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:45

If that makes a little bit more sense. I think that's why they put it second. Yes. Because it's like best of breed for just the class dogs, no champions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:53

So they're for the grand champion points, they also have levels, which is newer to the AKC.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:59

But so for every isn't just grand champion in general new?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:03

Yeah, I mean, yes. It's newer. The levels, the levels are even newer. But basically, you are collecting points each time you're in the ring and getting best to breed or best opposite and whatever, and then your rankings go up. So you you're earning points towards um different levels, right? So uh like a bronze, you can be a grand champion bronze, which you would see as an abbreviation as G uh C H B, and that's a hundred grand champion points, and then silver is two hundred grand champion points, gold is four hundred grand champion points, and then there's different levels of platinum. 800 for regular platinum, level two, 16, level three is 24, level four is 32, and then it goes up to level five of 4,000.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:51

I would also like to say, because I don't think we clarified it earlier, when your dog finishes your championship, your score goes back to zero. So you're starting fresh to get your grand champion. So it's not 10 additional points on top of your 20, your 15 to make 25, it's 25 whole new points. But once you get that, you continue to build to your so it's not like, oh, now I have to, I got my 25 grand champion points, now I have to get a hundred more. It builds on each other after that point.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:19

Not only that, but if your dog is a class dog and it beats one of the specials, the specials are the champions already. Those points do not also count towards its grand champions. Like Willow has beat uh she she's gotten best opposite over specials before, but they only count towards champion points and not towards what did you say the highest platinum.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:41

Platinum one.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

It's a level five.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:46

Oh, I just g gave it a quick Google and it says the highest one was eleven thousand eleven hundred points. Well, I mean I mean no, no, nineteen hundred and five grand champion points is the highest.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:57

So basically no one has gotten to that level. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:00

Brilliant Shepherd.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:01

Crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:01

So because this I Lumi is at a silver, and how long have I been showing him? So it it takes a while. I mean, obviously, there's dogs out with um with handlers and stuff every single weekend at every time job.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:17

If you're getting that much, you it has to be a full-time job.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

But it's it's crazy. Like it doesn't happen often. There's actually some breeds who have never reached platinum. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:26

Yeah. Well, it yeah, it takes a lot of time, money, dedication to get up that high. So definitely it's definitely and it is a newer thing, you know, because you don't have to do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:40

There's no requirements. Like, in my opinion, you shouldn't breed a dog that's not a champion, but I don't I would definitely I would breed dogs who were just champions and not grands, just for some reason or others, you know. As long as they pass their health testing and they are a champion. And they for me didn't get champion points off, just my dogs. Yeah. So another quick thing we're gonna run down, but not really go into it is owner handler.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:05

I don't think we're gonna do that because we only have five minutes. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:09

Oh, okay. Maybe. Yeah, we can own our handlers to their own points. Look them up.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:14

Well, we can go over that then. That'll be a good thing we can talk about is all the owner handler things. Okay. So look forward to owner handler information the next time. Conservation information handler.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:25

That was again looking at this chart helped so much. So everybody, please.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:31

Watch us on YouTube.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:32

Watch us.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:32

Yes. Well, and maybe we can share it.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:34

Yeah, I got the basics. 15 points to your champion. That's it. That's all I need to know.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:39

What about grand?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:40

I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:41

How many majors, Nathan?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:42

Two majors. You need two majors and 15 points. Good job. Did it job?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:46

What's a major?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:47

What's when you beat a No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

How many points?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:50

How many points?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:51

Is it major?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:51

Well, there's three, four, and five points. Good job. Good job. But it counts on the point. But it counts on the point schedule. This is stuff I knew.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:58

Oh, good job. Look at you. Yeah. It counts on your point schedule. You can find that on AKC. Look it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:04

Okay, so if we have five more minutes, do we want to cut it or do we want to do one more quick am I the asshole?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:09

Maybe do an am I the asshole to re-solidify my brain.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:14

You know, so it's funny because I've had two people tell me that they understood our last information and that you repeating it and saying it your way, they did not understand it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:24

Oh they obviously don't have the same brain. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:28

Which you pick it.

unknown 1:08:30

Me?

SPEAKER_07 1:08:30

Hold on, wait. While she looks at that, can I complain real quick? Yeah. I have been seeing so many. My nose sounds so nasally.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:37

Yeah, you know sound nasally.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:38

Um have you guys been noticing that? I mean, obviously AI is everywhere, and we've talked about it, we've seen everyone talking about it and all that stuff, but it has been getting out of control lately, like everywhere, but everything like what really is upsetting me, I've been seeing a lot of AI ads through companies and through people and events and stuff, even the Bishon Nationals, and everyone's using AI animals, and it's like you groom beautiful animals, or you sponsor people who groom beautiful animals. Like I've seen a couple brands put AI dogs out there, and I'm like, You can tell it's AI, and it's like you beautiful dogs out there. It's like, God dang.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:13

I have a message to the companies, right? From as a dog groomer, dog groomers don't like AI stuff. So it is very important. Just just don't use the AI stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:24

Just contact people for photos, ask for photos. People will be. Instead of doing the am I the asshole, I think this is a good conversation to finish on. I'm sure Marcia will approve of us talking about it. But there's a lot of companies who are also using AI to make their ads for like different things with people's faces. Oh, yeah. So, like just if if you're using, I mean, because it's happened to me and Nathan as well, where somebody's used AI to do our stuff and it doesn't look a lot like us, and we always feel bad because they took the time to make it. Uh, ask me for a new headshot. If you don't like the headshot I currently have, or you want one with me and Nathan together or whatever, ask us. We'll take a photo. I promise. I'm pretty sure every other groomer that you're hiring for a seminar or to judge or whatever, they'll take a new photo if you want them to. Stop putting it through AI. It makes us look waffle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:26

Yeah. I just recently made a flyer for our upcoming Bishons in the park. And last year they wanted me to use the AI Bishon stickers, but this year I used my own pictures. Oh, yeah. You did. Is that Willow? Um, Willow and Lumi are running in the top one, and then the puppies are in the puppies in the other one.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:46

All right, Katie, sign us out. Sign us out because we have two minutes.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:49

Okay, so I can say what I want to say. Yeah. Yeah, go for it. Um, it's so nice that when you posted it, it's like, oh, those are real bichons running around and everything. So it was so refreshing after seeing literally like every every seminar, every product now, every this, every there's a touch of AI because you can tell. You can you can totally tell. You can tell that it's AI now. So it's like it was so refreshing. But, anyways, that was my complaint about just seeing it everywhere for everything in every post.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:15

Good Ronnie Rant.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:17

All right. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next week. Bye.

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If you're headed to Super Zoo this August, make sure to stop by another grooming podcast booth, number 1406.

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We'll have exclusive merch, fun activities, and we'll be recording live podcast episodes throughout the show.

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Come hang out, meet fellow groomers, and maybe even end up on the podcast.

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Superzoo runs August 11th through the 14th and is packed with an incredible trade show, networking opportunities, educational seminars, and some of the best parties in the industry.

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Whether you're coming to shop, learn, connect, or just have a great time, be sure to swing by AGP Booth 1406 and say hello. We'll see you at Superzoo.