Dear Vet Techs

We open the show with another round of Poppin’ Panic, learn about the Manchester Terrier, and catch up on some Tea with AGP. Since we made a few vet techs upset with our criticism of their shaving skills, we decided to clear the air. 

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unknown 0:43

Yeah, I'm good.

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Hello and welcome to your favorite podcast, another grooming podcast. I'm Juan Rivera.

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I'm Ronnie Rivera. I'm Kat Greenie.

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I'm Nathan Austin.

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And I'm Katie Austin.

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We've been getting so good with that. I'm so proud of us. We had so much fun playing that game last episode. Uh that we're gonna do it again.

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Pop in panic.

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You guys start. Okay.

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We'll we'll start this time.

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Put on matching balloons, colors. Colors.

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Oh yeah. Explain your reasoning.

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Okay, because I was thinking the the different dyes in the rubber of the balloons may make them um expand less, you know? The composition of the plastic on the balloons may be compromised by the dye.

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Right here, pass that over.

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I want to see the newspaper.

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Okay, you ready? Didn't we say we had a limited amount of time?

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Yeah. Now we just have to have a shortcut.

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Oh, make sure it comes to the bottom. Oh no, is that unbroken?

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Sabotage.

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Sabotage. That was my side.

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I won by default.

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Come on, cat. We gotta do it.

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I didn't know that.

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Or the women, you're a fan. It can't be the boys every time. Okay.

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Okay. Game has been sufficiently prepped. Okay, we're gonna row shambeau it. Oh, route. We say ro shambo.

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Yeah, yeah. One, two, three, shoot. One, two, three, shoot. One, two, three, shoot. One, two, three, shoot.

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Okay, so that means I pump first or I say first. You pump first.

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You're pumping first.

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So that means you get to say.

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Okay.

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Alright. This is for me, Ronnie.

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Okay. I'm just gonna try to go down the list best I can. You ready? Yeah. Name two breeds originate. Name two breeds that originated in Japan.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Oh my god. Uh Shiwi Inu and uh uh Akita.

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Yeah, I was about to say. Um I need to find a hard one for him. Hey. Name two breeds that were recognized by the AKC in the last 20 years.

SPEAKER_05 2:57

Australian labradoodle and no what?

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They're not recognized by the AKC.

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Uh I got scared. I got scared. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, name two brushes, name two brushes. Slicker and card comb. Not card comb. The brush is slickers. It's grayhouse. A gray house to comb. Oh my god. Slicker, a pinbrush. There you go.

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Oh my god, look at those belly. Is it getting smaller? Oh my god.

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Is it? No, I don't think so.

unknown 3:39

Is it?

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No, I don't think so.

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Don't feel any air escaping.

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Okay.

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The Oh my god. That was crazy. What a question.

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Beaver, Dana Schwarmkog.

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Yeah, but didn't we we fucking did a segment on the new I forgot. Okay.

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It's okay. It's the pressure. It's the pressure. It is going down the case.

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Oh, it is. I'm panicking. She said I gave her a hard one and I don't want to be biased, so I gave you that one. Oh, it's ripped at the uh. Okay, just keep going. Okay, okay. Uh name dogs with blue eyes.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Oh shit. With blue eyes.

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That was crazy. Husky. Husky. Um and fungy plea. I'm like any of them, technically.

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Good job.

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You guys Australian Shepherd. That was crazy. American Shepherd. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 4:31

I don't want to read any more questions.

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No, it wasn't you. It was the balloon. Because like that balloon definitely should have popped. Asshole balloon. Give me a we'll just call it.

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We'll just call it a press it over here. I just scrolled to the bottom. There's sudden death questions over here.

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Oh, that'll be for the final round.

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Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Right on. Oh, can you press the code? Juan's got it all blue.

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I apologize again for the wait.

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Who won? Who won the Rochampo? What happened there? Nathan. Oh, okay. So it's Kat's question. Hmm.

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Lock. I don't know what to ask. Okay. Name two breeds with mountain in the name.

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Um Greatest Swiss mountain dog, Bernice Mountain Dog. What's a good one?

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Um Name Two Breeds originated in France.

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Um Poodle and the Frenchie.

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Nope. No. Both of those are wrong.

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The Catan. No? You need two.

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You need two. You need another one.

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Yeah, like you said, the Catan and the French. And the French.

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Bulldog is England. Yeah. Oh yeah. They're not French. They're not French. It'd be Sean. Go fetch a cut.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

No, they're Mediterranean.

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I don't fucking know. Fatch a cat. The French Mastiff. They're French Mastiff. There you go. Okay. Top! God damn. Top.

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That was an easy button. To the French Bulldog. Yeah, it actually originated in England, but they got popular in France, and that's why they're called French Bulldogs.

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And I know the poodle from Germany, but.

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I didn't posthumous. It was a pressure. It was a pressure. I'm sorry. You want to pop my balloon?

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No. You have to. Okay. Now are we doing a set of oh yeah. Yeah, right.

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And the poodle was originally jerking. Yeah, the poodle is a jerk. Do you want to put our thing? The French jerking. The French poodle.

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So when you when you type it into uh the interwebs, the papillon, papillon. Yeah, papillon. Damn it. It says the basset hound, Great Pyrenees, Buresson, Briard, Britney Spaniel, Barbet, and then of course the doggy de bouder, Bordeaux, whatever. French Mastiff.

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So I didn't know Bichons were not from France.

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They're Mediterranean.

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Also, see?

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You learn new things. How come I thought the Australian labradoodle was recognizable? Because they're working on it actively, right?

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It is in Australia, not in America.

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Okay, okay.

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But it's it's called something else. It's like a cobbler dog or something like that.

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Here they're working on calling it something something retriever. Yeah, a bearded retriever.

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But I still don't think we talked about it sometime.

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I think it's only in the foundation. Actually, it might not even be in the foundation stock yet. No. They're working on it. They're trying. They have enough to make a standard now.

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Well, the Silken Windhound was just accepted. I think. Into the foundation stock. Yeah, into the foundation stock.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

Well, I wonder if the um originator of it has passed away because that's what our client uh told us was holding them back.

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I'm upset. Hey, it was the press.

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That was a tough one. Actually, the French one was tough because the poodle and the Frenchie, while are claimed by France, are not technically French. So like it could have been a pass, but my bad.

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Rock, paper, scissors, um, okay. Uh I won, so she answers. Yeah.

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Yes, I'm just panic reading, so okay. Ready? Name two dogs requiring hand stripping.

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A Scottish carrier, a West Island white carrier.

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Name two breeds with drop ears. Poodle and Shitsu. Oh, this is the winner round, right? Yeah. Yeah. Chaos. Name two breeds originating in Africa.

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Oh, sorry. Ben Basenji and uh Rhodesian Ridgeback.

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I don't know if that's true. Fact check. I'm just kidding.

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The Rhodesian Ridgeback, I think, is from South Africa, right? And then the Basenji on the Basenji is from World Channel. It's like an old breed. I think it is definitely from Africa.

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You said it with a lot of.

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You know, I forgot I was answering the question. I was like, waiting. Yes, Africa.

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Okay. Good job, Kat.

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Name two breeds with cords. The poodle and the poolie. Yeah. Name two dogs with silky coats.

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A shitsu and a multis.

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Name two hairless breeds. Mexican hairless and the uh show looks squinkly. Name two breeds in the sporting group.

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Uh Lavin Golden.

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Name two fumously. Good job, Juan. You're our winner.

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Did you hear that scream? Yeah. Yeah. Did you hear it? It's pretty good. Pretty good. Do you want to pop it?

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Give it a squeeze.

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It scares me. Thank you.

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God, too, too vigorous, too rough. God, to pop it.

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Why isn't that the interest?

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There you go.

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It feels like ours get so big and they're gonna be a little bit more.

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I know.

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I like this game.

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Yeah, that was fun.

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I'm hungry.

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I'm hungry. I'm Katie.

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What about Taco Bell?

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Girl, Nathan. Girl!

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You've been around me too long.

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No, you know what? Because it's Azold. Normally it's normally Ezold's complaining about being hungry, and I'm like, girl, chill out. So it was like my automatic reaction. Okay, anyway.

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Okay, anyway. So today's breed is the Manchester Terrier standard size.

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Yes.

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So it is time to Learn That Breed!

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You didn't even try.

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Oh, I forgot that one.

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I'm sorry, guys. You just started and I was like, it's okay.

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It is time to Learn the Breed! Stop, Nathan. You're fired.

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What do you mean I did it? Okay. The Manchester Terrier. This is the oldest documented terrier breed, originally developed as a premier rat hunter. The breed was extremely popular as a pet and working dogs in Victorian times. A toy Manchester named Tiny reportedly killed 300 rats in 54 minutes and 50 seconds. Today, it is a rare breed in America. The Manchester is a stylish, eye-catching, black and tan dog. It is sleek and slightly rectangular with a graceful neck, a slightly arched back, a narrow deep chest, and a tucked up abdomen. The tapered whip tail is carried slightly curved but never over the back. The breed has long wedge-shaped head and a bright, keen expression with small, sparkling eyes. The eyes on standard Manchester's can be naturally erect, cropped, or button. The eyes? The ears on standard Manchester's can be naturally erect, cropped, or button, erect at the base and folded over at the tip. For competition, toy Manchester's must have naturally erect wide ears wide at the base and tapered to pointed tips. So this combines both of them, right?

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Yes, yeah. So when you said button, I was like, okay, we're in core line now. Cool. Oh yeah. For anybody who can't see them, they're short haired, so you cannot compete with them.

SPEAKER_03 11:41

They come in two colors. They come in a black and tan and a black. I've never seen a all black.

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Yeah, I don't think I have either.

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And they're uh 131 in popularity out of 205.

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Oh, that's slightly high. Was that slightly higher than the last two?

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It's higher, both higher than both the last two.

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Interesting. I see quite a bit of them in the show ring around here, anyways.

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I think they're I s people have them as pets too. I think in the salon we don't see them that often because they just don't need anything.

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They don't, yeah. Yeah. Other than nails and stuff. They're known to have cat-like qualities. They're incredibly clean and self-grooming. That's why they're like cats.

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Their coat is so short. Like, would you even like? I mean, obviously shampooing is great, but like can you get away with like just wiping them down, do you think?

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Yeah, probably.

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I would imagine so, yeah.

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Well, and like there's certain brushes that really help pull like dirt and dander from the coat, you know, like your bore brush and your carding knives. Um interestingly, uh the AKC website popped up a history, right? And so it says long before Manchester was famous for a soccer team, it was the center of England's booming textile trade. Local mill workers of the mid-1800s had two favorite sports: hunting rabbits with small hounds and the revolting pastime of rat killing, turning a terrier loose in a rat pit and betting on the results. So instead of dog fighting, they had terriers kill rats. So that's probably why that one killed 300 rats in 54 minutes. It was probably in a rat pit. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it says breeders uh worked towards a two-in-one dog to excel at both. So they crossed a popular ratter, which back in the day was called the black and tan terrier, with whippets, which is how we got the Manchester.

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Well, the black and tan doesn't exist no more, right? It was like one of the proto the proto-terriers that just you hear a lot about terrier.

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Everything has been bred down from that into different things.

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But I wonder what they actually look like. I wonder if there's any like um good trolls somewhere.

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But I do think that's super interesting that they bred the whippet into that so they would be good at rabbit hunting and rat hunting. And the speedy contours of a whip it. They're probably fast as fuck and fast cats.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

Yeah, you you want to know? What were you gonna say?

SPEAKER_05 14:01

Did I do this math right? If 300 rats in 54 seconds is five and a half. 54 minutes. 54 minutes is five and a half rats a minute. A minute. So 10 seconds every a rat every 10 seconds. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Yeah, essentially. Okay, uh the f uh let's do the fast snap, grab, snap, grab, snap. So the third one is a champion. The other two are not champions.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

I think they're probably fast as fuck. I'm gonna say 28.

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Are you going for the fastest overall or are you going for the champion whenever? Champion. The champion. Okay.

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Would you say 28?

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I'm gonna say 28. I think they're fast as fuck. They were bred with whippets.

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And this is for this is for dogs between 12 and 18 inches. Because you have to specify.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

You said how fast?

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I said 28. Because the lakey was 24.

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Oh, that's true.

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And these guys were bred with whippets.

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And they're slightly. I'm gonna say 29. I'm gonna say 32.

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You guys are all too high. Oh 26.34. Interesting. Even the one the non-champion is 26.49. Interesting.

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Yeah, for them being rather do they think it'd be quick as fuck, quick as fuck, boy.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Yeah, they've lost it.

SPEAKER_05 15:13

Yeah. I you know, when they first when I first saw them, I thought they were mini Dobies.

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Yeah.

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So this is the breed, uh the breed is now extinct, was but was the foundation for basically every Terrier in uh England.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Have they ever won uh Westminster?

SPEAKER_03 15:30

Um, I looked at uh, but let me see real quick. I doubt it, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:34

I don't think so either.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

Um no. Never won. Poor little guy.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

Okay, why does it have my search history on your iPad? What? Like all the things I've looked at today that I was looking up earlier are on here.

SPEAKER_05 15:49

Well, did you look them up on that iPad?

SPEAKER_02 15:51

No. Like it has Cruise America because I was looking at my reservation. It has car, like all the car things I've been looking at. It has sign up genius because I was doing a Bichon thing.

SPEAKER_05 16:03

And then I wonder if it's because we logged into your own. I wonder if it's because we you're logged into the podcast Gmail.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

Oh, so it goes my search history goes under good to know.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

Probably your home one is logged into the AGP. AGP.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

Well, I don't really have a Google.

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Get on to it.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

That's okay. I mean, I've only looked up cars and stuff lately.

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You can see what freaky stuff.

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I was looking, see, I'm looking, I'm asking the breed brusher on the Club of America website for the Manchester. And it says Manchesters are basically wash and wear dogs, minimal grooming is required. All that is needed is a brisk brush with a medium hard uh brush once a week. Trimming and filing nails, yada yada yada. Yeah. I think a boy and shampooing about every six weeks.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

Easy peasy. I like these little dogs.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Yeah, I think they're cool.

SPEAKER_03 16:46

I'm looking at like old paintings and stuff of a black and tan, but it's hard to tell which ones are which. But their tail looks like it was like kind of halfway, not over the back, but kind of.

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All right.

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All right. All right, all right, all right. If you're headed to Super Zoo this August, make sure to stop by another grooming podcast booth, number 1406.

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We'll have exclusive merch, fun activities, and we'll be recording live podcast episodes throughout the show.

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Come hang out, meet fellow groomers, and maybe even end up on the podcast.

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Superzoo runs August 11th through the 14th and is packed with an incredible trade show, networking opportunities, educational seminars, and some of the best parties in the industry.

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Whether you're coming to shop, learn, connect, or just have a great time, be sure to swing by AGP Booth 1406 and say hello. We'll see you at Superzoo.

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It's time for well, you're the host.

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It's time for tea with AGB.

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I need a monocle.

SPEAKER_05 17:52

All right. So we had mentioned before that we were gonna keep you guys updated on the funky poodle stuff. So there's uh an update that Katie's gonna let us know. They I guess they released uh a letter or they made a post.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

So from what I understand, they sent out an email. Um, so I'll read the email to anybody who hasn't seen it. I mean, it was on Programmer Network. I'm sure it's been on multiple other groups as well. So you can find it. Um, but we did say we'd keep you apprised. So they said the funky poodle is back over the past several months. Our company has faced one of the most difficult challenges in its history. To those who were hurt, harassed, intimidated, or caught in the crossfire of the events surrounding our company. I want to offer my sincere apology. No customer, supporter, employee, friend, or member of our community should ever feel bullied, targeted, or pressured because of their association with a business they chose to support. While we could not control the action of others, we recognize the stress, discomfort, and emotional toll that this situation may have caused many people. For anyone who felt attacked simply for standing beside us, please know that your kindness and loyalty have never gone unnoticed, and we're truly sorry that you were treated subject to such treatment. After terminating our national ambassador, we became the target of an online campaign designed to damage our reputation through false narratives, misinformation, sabotage, and accusations that were ultimately shown to be without merit. While this situation created significant obstacles for our business, it's also revealed something far more powerful: the incredible loyalty, support, and belief of our customers, salon partners, friends, and supporters. For that, we are deeply grateful. Despite the noise, despite the attacks, and despite the attempt to undermine everything we have worked so hard to build, we never lost sight of who we are and what the funky poodle stands for. We chose to focus our energy on rebuilding, improvising, and creating an even stronger future for the brand we love. While we have been quiet publicly, we've been incredibly busy behind the scenes, we have spent countless hours refining our formulations, developing exciting new products, strengthening our operations, and preparing for a fresh new chapter that we cannot wait to share with you. As many of you know, the online campaign also encouraged individuals to file bank disputes and chargebacks after products had already been delivered and used. These fraudulent claims caused significant significant financial damage and forced us to make difficult operational changes to protect the company of our future. To help safeguard both our customers and our business moving forward, all orders over $100 will now require signature confirmation upon delivery. We appreciate your understanding as we implement measures designed to prevent fraud and ensure a secure purchasing experience for everyone. And now for the exciting part. Coming later this year, the Funky Poodle will be introducing brand new formulations, exclusive fragrances, enhanced performance products, and our highly anticipated Black Label collection, our most luxurious and innovative lineup yet. We're not just coming back, we're evolving. The Funky Poodle has always been about creativity, individuality, quality, and doing things differently. Those values will remain stronger today than ever before. If anything, this experience has reinforced our commitment to our customers, our partners, and the grooming industry that has supported us from day one. To everyone who stood behind beside us, defended us, encouraged us, placed an order, sent a message, or simply believed in us when it mattered most. Thank you. Your support helped carry us through, and we'll never forget it. The next chapter begins now. It's going to be our best one yet. P.S. Keep an eye on your inbox. New product announcements, exclusive previews, uh, special offers, and a first look at our upcoming black label collection are just around the corner. Signed the owner. I don't know, I think it's Christopher Hickens. It's in cursive, so I apologize. I can't quite read it. Um, but it's the owner of Funky Buddha. It's super long.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

That's the owner the owner's the one that the the that the girl was like showing text messages of, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:53

The underage girl, yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:55

Um I mean he says that they were shown to be unbiased, like what does that mean? I mean, so I think they're shown to be baseless, so like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

I think everybody should gather their own conclusions. Conclusions. I know we've discussed some of the stuff that we've come across. Programmer network, all the other they are fraught with all the information you need. We've discussed it previously, so you just kind of have to decide for yourself. Um it is yeah, it's a super long email. I feel like it's somewhat redundant and it talks in circles.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

Well it sounds like Chat GPT made it. But you know, like I don't potentially. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

What are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_05 22:39

I I don't I don't know. Um I mean, fine. Thank you for giving a letter, but like it still does I feel like it doesn't take away like what was done.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Right. And I don't I him saying like, oh, there's you know, like proof that none of it's real, but I've not seen any proof that none of it's real. I've only seen evidence to the contrary, personally.

SPEAKER_05 23:02

I do, I do think that like what that when they said it's like oh the chargebacks after the products have been delivered and used. I do kind of agree that's kind of shitty. Like if you got the product and you use the product, it w whether you uh disagree with the owner of the product now, it's still in your position, you still purchased it, you still have it. So to do a chargeback does seem kind of weird when you're not like doing a return.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

It's also he said, she said, well, I was just gonna say, so I have seen some people say, I already filed a like claim with my bank because I never heard anything. They closed down all their things and I never got my order. And it's been like four months since they placed the order, and then they just now received the product and they're like, I don't want it anymore.

SPEAKER_05 23:50

Right, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

That's right. Because I replaced it with something else that I could get. They had didn't use it. They're like, I just don't want it, and then but then they have to pay to ship it back. Yeah, so then they're like, that's not cool, and then those people are people that had no contact, had no idea if their shampoo was ever coming. So it makes sense that they charged there that they contacted their bank. Well, I mean, and then I wouldn't want to keep the product after that either.

SPEAKER_03 24:14

From like a personal standpoint, I wouldn't want to personally deal with the business until the owner of the company that was accused I cleared the air. Apologized or something, or or or I see anything saying showing that it was mis uh That proof that it was misconstrued in some way, yes. But we I mean I probably still wouldn't deal with it, deal with the company anyways, but it is what it is. I mean, we saw the texts though.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Yeah, I don't I don't think you can misconstrue. I personally I do agree with you, and I'm not make your own decisions, make you know, use your own thought process, look at your own evidence, whatever, right? But I do agree with you. I for me, I don't know that there's anything he could say that would make me be like, I'm gonna do funky poodle now.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

Yeah, honestly, there isn't anything because I would be, I mean, I'm not telling I don't want to tell people don't ever buy from them because you obviously do your own thing.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Well, that's why I said make draw your own conclusions, make your use your own moral compass. Everybody has a different, you know, set of rules that they live by than us.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

Yeah, and I also don't want to uh I feel bad because I don't want to like weaponize our platform, but I agree, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

But it is what it is, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

Though that stuff is out in the open, and um unless there's some sort of rebuttal or proof that something was made up, then I'm gonna Yeah, I don't know. Especially since he was this since he was like, Oh, it was shown to be baseless. I'm like, okay, how?

SPEAKER_05 25:46

Yeah. I mean, maybe the other stuff was baseless. And that's not yeah. Because it that wasn't the only thing that was the problem, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:53

It was like the There was a lot of different things.

SPEAKER_03 25:56

Well, and then Well for me, like I I think like relabeling or it that's just like that is something that's companies do that stuff. But I'm like, until you you know, uh talk about the elephant in the room, right? Which was the main I mean I if it was me, which it is not or if it was me, I would just be like, hey, meet it head on, apologize to the person, apologize to the public. Right? Like that's the minimum. But maybe that did happen. I don't I'm not paying attention. But and also that doesn't clear that also doesn't clear the air, right? I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 26:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

It's a very touchy topic, which is we said we'd keep you updated, and that's why we're saying, like, please make your own decisions, go and look up the information yourselves. There's a lot of information on a lot of different groups, a lot of text threads have been posted, a lot, you know what I mean? Like there are a lot of receipts out there to draw your own conclusions. And I I mean, I do know what you're saying, right? If you look beyond everything else, one of the big things was the white labeling, you know, and companies do that. There's a lot of companies that make products that are all the same, but they just have like their own colors and their own name and their own. So that does happen, but you know, like be upfront about it, you know, like once it was brought to light, it's like, well, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

So I don't know. Anyway, we just wanted to update you. Yeah, draw your own conclusions, make your own decisions. Don't just I appreciate what you said, Nathan, about like I don't want to use our platform as a like crusade against any anything like that. And I I agree, I don't want to use our platform in that way. We're just bringing you information and you can do what you want with it.

SPEAKER_05 27:35

Yeah, we're not on the in, we don't know the real anything. This is just information we found online and that's been shared.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

And we're just yeah, and same we're not liable for anything. If you find out something's not accurate, let us know. You know what I mean? If you're like, hey, that's not true, and you have the proof of it, send it to us. You know, we'll so we'll air it, you know.

SPEAKER_05 27:58

Anyway, that's that.

SPEAKER_01 27:59

That's that.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

Another thing about the T or another T thing we want to talk about is like online, like a lot of people have been. I've noticed there's a lot of like negative comments on certain influen grooming influencers' appearance.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Well, and uh I think a lot of influencers, but one in particular has been getting a lot of shit.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Yeah, and it's uh it's Blake Hernandez here. Um I I mean I'm I think he looks great, and people are like bagging off ragging on him about a lot.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

I mean, to the extent of like making specific posts just to talk about it, which I think sucks. Like I whether you like Blake or you don't like Blake doesn't really matter. Like he is working human, he's eating good food, he's being really healthy, he's uh, you know what I mean? Like, and he's been very honest about his journey. Yeah, I'm proud of you, Blake. Yeah, like he looks incredible. It's a hard journey, and I mean people keep thinking we're married, so that's funny. I'm like, yeah, you know, I've got two husbands. Yeah, and a wife.

SPEAKER_05 29:02

I think it's it's so weird to comment on other people's appearances. Yeah, that is like the weirdest thing you can do to me. That Blake is on he was overweight, he well, he was very thin, very active, and then he had gained weight and he said he wanted to lose weight. So he's been actively working out and he did it and doing and he did it, and we should all be happy and it looks incredible, he looks great, and he you can tell he feels even more confident if that's possible.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

You know what he told me at uh Tacoma? He's like, if if I get any hotter, I'm gonna start ruining marriages. And I'm like, dude, go for it. Back up from me, you know, because I came up and I was like, hey, you look great, and I gave him a hug, you know, and I'm like, you look really good. And he's like, I'm about to start. Not this one, bro. Back up, okay?

SPEAKER_05 29:44

Yeah, it's just he he is doing it to be healthier and be happier with himself. And why do other people care what he looks like? He's happy with how he looks, and that's that.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Well, it's just a shame, you know. Like people have been so, so supportive of Kat and your journey, and it's been wonderful to see like all the positivity. So it's just shitty to like I like I said, I get it, right? Like they're I feel like there's a wide spectrum. People love him or hate him, and um, you know, what whatever your reasons are for that are your own, you know, like uh, but the negativity on his body, it sucks. But I get a lot of shit comments too.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

It doesn't matter how you get to the endpoint, is you're trying to make your life better for yourself, right? You're trying to be healthier, trying to be more active. If you need assistance, like I had surgery, right? Because I needed that, and I still struggle, so it's not a win, you know, it's not easy, regardless of how you get there, right? And you know, people making fun of you. I mean, I've been teased about other things in my life too, um, even before I was really heavy. Um, the gap in my teeth. I still get little kids who be like, Why'd you why'd your tooth missing? And I just tell them, you know what? That's who I am. I was like, that's actually just a gap in my teeth, and it's just at least I feel like kids are innocent about it and they're not being malicious. Yes, true. But like I had uh, you know, growing up, I've always had this gap and people always made fun of it in school and stuff, and you know. And so but I've just come to like embrace it, you know? It's like it's who I am, it's who you are. I like it.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

I remember when my kids first seen someone in a wheelchair, they were like, You're like, no, don't point! They were pointing. I think every child does that. I don't think anyone just don't understand stuff.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Well, LA went through a phase of uh asking people's genders out loud to me. Is that a man or is that a woman?

SPEAKER_01 31:39

And my kids did that too.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

And I'm like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, they have a name. Yeah, but I think I always say it doesn't matter, who cares?

SPEAKER_03 31:46

Regardless, right? You shouldn't be I I don't think it's fair to like somebody's physique or especially in the grooming industry.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

In the grooming industry, there's a lot of us that look so different than the average person, you know what I mean? Yeah, like if you feel so bra like come and say it to my face. Yeah, yeah. Because we get a lot, we get a lot of or I get a lot of hate. And I'm like, if you're so brazen to type behind a, you know, behind your computer or your cell phone that I shouldn't wear certain things I'm wearing, or that my nose ring is done, or whatever, please come say it to my face, you know. And if you're not brave enough to say it to my face, don't type it on a computer. I think a lot of them are jealous on the computer. I'm jealous of Katie's body.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

Katie got like a hundred comments of, oh wow, you could you could throw it when she was twerking. And then, but there was one lady that was like, they should have got at least someone, at least an attractive woman. And I went on her profile and she got like the AI filter on her face, and I'm like, I'm getting ready to screenshot it and just put it as a comment underneath. But I'm like, I'm bigger than I'm gonna do it. I was like, we can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

That's mean, we're nice, we're not gonna rise to their, you know, raise, rise to the bait, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

Anytime I'm online on dog grooming stuff and I see other people like shitting on somebody or something, I always think like, ugh, that just makes unfortunately. I think a lot of times it does more damage to you, the commenter, than the person you're commenting about, you know?

SPEAKER_01 33:09

Yeah, don't get me wrong, we're all human and we definitely think about it, but then we use our adult brains and go, that's probably not the right thing to do. And then we just delete the comment. Yeah, keep your negativity to yourselves.

SPEAKER_03 33:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

So you know, although I do appreciate when fans defend us, so thank you for fans that go on and say you're not nice, don't say that to them.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Also, be careful if you're posting anonymously because you're not anonymous. Yeah, because the moderators know who you are.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

Yeah. Yep. And we know a lot of the moderators. Yeah. We won't touch on that one, but there was a recent expose exposing of somebody posting anonymously is saying not nice things. Be nice. We're not children. Yes. That's the uh like I said, if you're not willing to say it to somebody's face, don't type it behind on your phone, but or behind your computer or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 34:05

But with the Blake thing, a lot of the comments were people just like not putting anonymous, they were just like, this is me.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

They were pretty blatant. I Blake gets a lot of hate. I do, I don't think it's appropriate at all. Like I said, love him or hate him, it's not cool. Let's not comment on people's physiques.

SPEAKER_05 34:21

Also, he is not going anywhere. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

No.

SPEAKER_05 34:23

So, like, if like he really is not anywhere.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

He's been here for forever.

SPEAKER_05 34:26

So, like, if you want to continue letting him piss you off because he's living his life, then you can continue to let him piss you off. But that's not gonna change what he's doing. Yeah. So, like, learn to live with it. Because he's not going nowhere.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

In junior high, I I started to uh go to anger management classes, and um very much helped your life for anybody who needs changes. It's changed my life because something that they said is because I would always be in there like angry, like they're why are you so mad? And I'm like, this and that. And the person told me, you know, if you're thinking about somebody, they're like owning that space and you don't like them and you don't want to think they're owning that space in your head. The rent-free they're just in there rent-free. So you have to push them out of your head, and whether it's like just forgiving them or giving yourself like just letting it go, uh that's what you gotta do for yourself. You know? Yeah, it's not about the other person. For a long time, like I don't stay mad at people that long because I forgive people even if they don't. I mean, Katie will be like, they don't deserve it. And I'll for and everyone's like, You're so great, you're so great, but in that and then he actually all in the it's actuality I'm doing it for me as well, you know? Because I don't want to be thinking about that all the time.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

I still think about things 20 years later.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

Give them the power. Don't give them the power.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

I was gonna say Nathan's really, really good at it, and he's good at helping me get over stuff, but I still I think Katie and Ronnie are similar where they're like, no, I'm just gonna think about it forever.

SPEAKER_03 35:51

Oh, Ronnie remembers forever.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Well, and I it it's not even necessarily that I will dwell on something, but I'm not gonna forget about it. So, like, if that person has screwed me over, I'm not gonna like think about it 24-7. But then if they come back to me, I'll be like, oh no, remember Nathan, they did XYZ, A, B, C, D. You know, and I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

Katie will do that and I'll be like, oh shit.

unknown 36:12

Fuck them.

SPEAKER_01 36:13

Yeah, he'll forgot about that. He'll straight up forget. And then I'll be like, no, remember they did this, this, this, this, this. And then he's like, oh, damn.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

The guy that the guy that snitched on me and made me go to jail, like, I the first time I seen him, he was at my mom's funeral, and he's like, I'm sorry, man. And I'm like crying, hugging him. I'm like, it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

And I'm like, no, Nathan, don't you remember he did this, this, this, and this?

SPEAKER_03 36:34

Yeah, don't you remember he tried to send you to prison? Yeah. Not just that.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

Then you got him hired at a job and he stole from that job. Forgot about that.

SPEAKER_03 36:41

See, I would forgive him again.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

Nathan would. He's very loving, very forgiving, very, very nice.

SPEAKER_03 36:47

Because you don't want to live life just always pissed off and upset and everything.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Like, you're a better man than me. I went to anger management.

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SPEAKER_05 37:36

Speaking of being upset and pissed off, we pissed off a lot of people, a lot of vet techs. We're sorry.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

You know what, vet techs? Fuck you. No, I'm just joking.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

No, cut that.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

No, no, leave it in. I'll leave it in. Look, you you give your thing. I want to give my thing. Go ahead. One of them, or you want to give it a shit. No, no, no. No, yeah, go ahead. So one of them was like, oh, you know, we get enough bad things. You know, groomers get shit on too. By force. By vets all the time. And we don't look. I'm not saying every freaking scheme. I'm not saying, hey, the vet techs do this on purpose or do this. But it does happen, right? Right. Vet techs do overshave sometimes. Sometimes vets overshave. Sometimes groomers shave dogs that don't need to be shaved. Sometimes they get lazy and they do shave dogs because they don't want to brush out this or that. Look, none of us are not.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

The majority of us are good people. Yeah, none of us are not doing that.

SPEAKER_03 38:28

But we're just talking about our circumstances. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 38:31

Our experiences, yeah. So, you know, like I I did We're not making up that her feathers were shaved off.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

I wish you could save the pictures because they were it was way it was a long time ago, and I don't know. Thigh to thigh, you said with the 40, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:43

Thigh to thigh with a 40.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

Well, and she was not, yeah, she didn't she was there for hours.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

Yeah, four hours for diarrhea. Yeah. So regardless. But I washed her butt before we got there, so she didn't come in with diarrhea.

SPEAKER_03 38:54

We didn't explain that huh why the vet techs were mad. Yeah. Because of the video that we put out.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

It was just a video about the shaving.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

Kat was just like, oh, they shaved off my dog's feathers completely because of some diarrhea.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

Which is a fact. They did. And there was nothing wrong with her. And I don't even think she diarrheaed after she got there.

SPEAKER_02 39:12

I I don't know if she diarrhea or something. She was there four hours. They shaved her thigh to thigh all her feathers off, plus two large IV bands. And I get someone's was commenting that sometimes they need to do more IV bands because they blow or there isn't enough blood flow. And I I get that, right? Um, but it was the thigh to thigh shaving of her feathers with a 40 blade for a four-hour trip to the vet where she had diarrhea, and I had washed her butt before she arrived. So she wasn't covered in diarrhea when she got there.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

In our experience for non-emergent surgeries, not because I understand emergent things happen and you're just gonna have to shave and get that IV and that's fine, save my dog's life. The hair is not that important, but in non-emergent surgery situations where we try to find a vet that won't shave to preserve our coat for showing our competition, we are sometimes treated like we're evil for asking. And like I this isn't just an us. I every breeder I have ever talked to, every show person, every competitor I've ever talked to has the same story of it's almost impossible to find a vet that'll agree to do it and they all act like we're evil for asking for it.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

Yeah, and I I think a lot of times there's a lot of animosity towards the vet tech industry or the vet industry, but there also is towards grooming industry. And I think we need to just like be able to laugh at each other and be able to get along in that aspect. Like we should be able to poke fun at each other.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

Well, how how often do we get accused of causing an ear infection? The dog hasn't been in in six months.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

Come on, vet techs. Look, I'm talking to you, vet techs and veterinarians. You know the groomer isn't just gonna get a little bit of water in the ear and suddenly the ear is super inflamed and within 24 hours of the grooming up. Infections don't work like that. You know it, I know it, you know what I mean? So every time I get I mean, it doesn't happen that often anymore, but when I oh the vet said it was your fault because you got a little bit of water in the ear yesterday, that's why my dog's ear is inflamed.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

I'm like, I also wonder what those clients, right? How much of it though is them hearing the vet say, Well, I mean, I guess that could be that, but it could also be this, and then they just run with it. Yeah. So there is also lost in translation. But I will say one last thing when it comes to shaving, and I think I mentioned it in the original episode. I have literally had poodles who have pom poms and the top of the leg is shaved clean during their grooming, and half of their pom-pom is shaved off for the IV. You're telling me you could not shave above the pom pom. It is half the leg. You could have like 100%, you could have shaved the yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Bella and ginger go in for a yearly dental, and they always shave into the bottom.

SPEAKER_03 41:59

Everyone's there is just also spiteful assholes out there. Yeah. Just like groomers will sometimes, oh, your dog is that I don't want to brush this out. I'm just gonna shave it because it's easier for me. There's spiteful assholes in every there's also vet techs that'll see a little bit of something, they're like, man, and then because I you see them on threads, like saying, Oh, I uh anytime a groomer's dog comes in or something, I'll I'll do it on purpose. You know, and I don't know, it's hard to say because actually, who knows if that's AI who knows if it's a freaking robot nowadays online, yeah, just making me upset at Vet Techs, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:33

And also, also, also um, it it I understand how annoying it is for someone to come to your job and tell you how to do your job. So, like I can understand the annoyance of someone be like, can you only can you do it this way? And it's it's like, don't tell me how to do my job. Yeah, so maybe a lot of their anger comes from that, like people coming in and being like, I heard you can do it through the thigh on the inside of the thing. You know, it's like shit.

SPEAKER_02 42:56

So when I go in, I ask, I when I I found a vet who will do uh a procedure procedure without shaving, but I drove three hours to this vet. But I always I approach with the thing saying, I am just wondering if it's possible if you can do this. I'm willing to sign away infectious rights, right? Waivers, yeah. I'm willing to sign a waiver. If they say no, okay. I don't push it. I'm just like, oh, you know, he's a show dog and a grooming competition dog, and it takes me a long time to grow this hair back. So I'm just hopeful I can find someone who'll do it. And some are like, yeah, for sure. Like my OFA vet. She's like, I'll do it, you know, no problems.

SPEAKER_03 43:39

You should be able to ask anything you fucking want. Yeah, without getting a shit report.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

I mean, I think say no.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

People come into the salon like, Oh, can you not shave my dog? I'm like, and I'll just tell them uh yesterday. I'm not like, Oh, you get the fuck out of here because I get to you know? Yeah. Actually, I do tell them to leave sometimes, but in a nice way. You know, I'm like, hey, uh your dog is too matted. You can go home and brush it.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Like I'm always nice about it. I'm always not like, oh, but I never had a vet be mean to me like that though, either.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

So I don't want to.

SPEAKER_02 44:06

I've had some spicy techs though. I've had some, yeah, I've spicy responses. Do you know why?

SPEAKER_03 44:12

Because vet techs are like groomers. They're like us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:14

Okay, but also as I have the utmost respect for vets and vet techs. I mean, you guys do amazing work and you do I have been a veterinessant. I've been a tech, but that's what I've done.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

If I'm not confused about their sexuality, I don't want them to be my vet.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

Seriously. I was gonna say so. You worked out at a vet's office, I worked at a vet's office, Ronnie worked out of vet's office. Did you? No. So three out of five of us have literally worked in a vet's office before.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Okay, let me tell you a quick story. Over eight years of experience. I just thought of, I just thought of, remember one time I cut a dog. You might have been there. It might have been before Katie. I cut a dog right in front of its penis at Pet Smart, right? Just a little tiny tag. Were you there in the back with me? I brought it to Banfield, right? And they're like, just hold it. And I'm like, I'm holding it like this in my arms, hand around its chest, bottom arms or bottom hand on its butt, right? Little dog. And the vet tech grabs the loose skin, right? It's maybe like a quarter inch. It was like a pole. A little pole. And she grabs a scalpel and she starts like cutting it, but instead of cutting it towards the loose skin, she starts cutting it down. And she turns this little tiny cut into a one-inch gash and opens it all the way up. And she goes, she stops like as she's doing, like I'm looking and she's looking. I don't know, but she's just watching it get longer and longer every little slice she makes. And I'm like, what are you? I don't say anything because I'm not the I'm just a new, I'm a new groomer. So I'm like, maybe this is normal. And she stops and then grabs another vet, and then the other vet comes over with a piece of scissors and just cut I mean the scissors and just cuts that chunk off. And now it's and then I'm holding it like folded, you know, like uh crunched in like this. So when we put it down and she stretches back out, it's now a two-inch gash. And it's the skin's all gone, and and then they're like, oh, we have to do all these stitches. And I'm like, I came in with a tiny little tiniest little little like paper cut thing.

SPEAKER_05 46:14

So now the groomer made this, right?

SPEAKER_03 46:16

Yes, and that's what happened. That's the way it shook out. And I I told I was looking at the vet, and I'm talking to the store manager. I'm like, look, I came in with it being this tiny little thing, and I'm pointing at the vet. I'm like, I watched her do it in my hand, and then like, but she's the vet, right? I'm just a dumbass dog groomer, but you know, things like that happen. People make mistakes.

SPEAKER_05 46:34

Nobody's perfect, you know, nobody's perfect, but that was two Hannah Montana songs. Everybody makes mistakes.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

Nobody's perfect.

SPEAKER_03 46:42

Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Um, but you know, angry. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 46:45

Stuff like that happens, and like I wish she would have taken the blame for it, but she didn't. She was like, uh, she but whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

I do love my vet though. I absolutely love my vet. It's just I want to get her in on the podcast. I do want to get her in on the podcast, but she I don't believe she uh will do uh surgery without shaving, so yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

I mean, I sign like when I dropped my dog at the vet, I signed like in six different spots saying I am taking full responsibility.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

You sign in six different spots.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

I have different spots saying I assume responsibility, blah blah blah blah blah. But there are also tons of vets, not around here, but like I know people say it's a TV show, right? But Dr. Paul, he doesn't shave anything. He gives them a shot and they're out. He does the surgical they shave the surgical spot, but IVs and stuff. Yeah, the spay and neuter clinics don't. Spay and neuter clinics don't. They don't do IVs at all. They give them a sedative, they do the surgery, and then bam. Bam, they're done.

SPEAKER_03 47:44

You know, it's something I do think about though that makes me think like, all right, we do we just need to calm down, right? Is um veterinarians have some of the highest suicide rates. They do, which is clear.

SPEAKER_05 47:55

They they always alternate between dentists one and two. I don't get dentists.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

Why a dentist?

SPEAKER_05 48:00

It's not like, oh, hey, I can't fix your teeth because you don't have money. I think it's because they're also doctors that went through medical school and they are technically a doctor, and people don't think that they're real because dentists can do like plastic surgery, so did you know that? Yeah, no, that's cool. Yeah, because they went through medical school, so they probably were like, we're not taking seriously. Well, that's nice ass. No, no, no, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

In my mind, I'm like, stop being a baby about it, right? When I think of a vet, like they they're they're it's justified because they're like, hey, I could do this procedure, it's gonna cost this many thousands of dollars to save your dog's life, and then they have to watch the person say no because money or whatever, and then you have to physically choose like I can't do this surgery because I'm not getting paid, so now this dog has to die. I could see that laying weighing on you really heavy. But being like, Oh, I I I can't, you don't take me seriously as a dentist. I don't know. Maybe maybe there's something I'm missing.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

No, but I I also see because as groomers, we get so much pressure just to save save hair. But they must get immense amounts of pressure to do procedures or do these kind of things. So I have the utmost respect for anyone in the veterinary. It is a stressful job. I couldn't take it, mostly because my coworkers were fucking assholes.

SPEAKER_03 49:11

But um Yeah, also if you're but if you're a vet tech and you and you do any sort of dog grooming, you realize, oh yeah, this is way better. Right? I mean Ronnie thought so.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

I have the utmost respect for anyone in the veterinary field, even the receptionist people are assholes.

SPEAKER_00 49:27

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

And I try not to be an asshole. I try to be understanding, but I also want when I'm going in an vet, I want them to understand that I am not an idiot and I have a good understanding of things, and that you know, I feel like some of them just like gloss right over like you, your feelings aren't important, and I have reasons and I just want them to understand, and I understand emergencies and I understand all that, but yeah, they're just people too, right? They're people, and I'm a person, and you know, I'm just trying to find someone. Well, also just having intact dogs, there's so many that are so against it. It's hard to find someone who's just intact dog friendly, you know?

SPEAKER_01 50:07

Yeah, not trying to pressure you into it's the wheelbarrow, I think. I was like, what the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_03 50:15

Well, it's an earthquake.

SPEAKER_02 50:18

But nothing only that's shaking. Nothing in here is shaking. What was shaking even? It was the garage door, but but nothing in here is shaking.

SPEAKER_05 50:27

Yeah, nothing else is shaking.

SPEAKER_03 50:28

Because these are the wind? Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

Oh chill. But like, because this would have shook if for sure if it was an earthquake.

SPEAKER_05 50:37

We always joke around about how like Ronnie's such an asshole and Ronnie's so mean and that kind of thing, right? I one time I asked him, I was like, why are you always like in a bad like why Ronan?

SPEAKER_02 50:47

Oh, Ronan's scratching against the house. We're like, an earthquake.

SPEAKER_05 50:50

Yeah, so I had asked Ronnie and I was like, Why are you always so angry all the time? Like, and he and he like literally he told me that working at the vet ruined him.

SPEAKER_00 50:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:59

Because they get they get blamed for everything, and they and they have these people come in to like put my dog down for like they deal with so much, and it's just it's just really sad. I didn't really notice it until Ronnie would come home like repeatedly, like in a like upset or like sad. And it's like, what's wrong? Like, what is this job doing to you?

SPEAKER_02 51:16

I feel like it takes a special person to be in the veterinary field because it's such an emotional roller coaster. You have the highs of, you know, puppies and stuff, and you know, just wellness checks, and then you have the lows of people struggling to finance their dog's life, or there's so many things like and then you get the assholes who don't want to save their pet just because they're like, nah, it's not worth it, kind of thing. And then you get the people who are so madly in love, and this is their life, and this is their everything, and they'll spend everything to do it, but you can't save them regardless, you know? So there's so many emotions in this field, and that's one of the reasons like I didn't want to be become a veterinarian when I was little. I was like, I want to be a vet, and I was like, no, yeah, too many same.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

It pisses me off when people are don't brush their dog. I couldn't imagine if they're like, Oh, just put him to sleep. Oh, I can't pay this thousand dollars, just euthanize them.

SPEAKER_02 52:10

I don't want to even.

SPEAKER_03 52:12

Yeah, so I'm like, oh, you didn't brush your dog uh a couple times this week. Uh I'm like, that's so disappointing. I couldn't imagine if you're like just euthanize them, you know. Yeah, they go through a lot. Yeah. So we appreciate you guys.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

We appreciate you, and we we hear where you're coming from on the shaving. And you know, if it's an emergency, you could shave my dog bald. It's okay.

SPEAKER_01 52:34

I understand it's just hair, but it's also important.

SPEAKER_03 52:37

There is no emergency that's gonna require them to shave your dog bald, though.

SPEAKER_02 52:40

If it was attacked by another dog and it had holes all in it, or a fire different though. I would be totally emergency like an emergency.

SPEAKER_03 52:46

I said if it's an emergency, but if my dog's going in for a dental, God, can you mean can you be imagining the vet tech that has to shave a fireburn dog? My god, that'd be terrible.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Okay, anyway.

SPEAKER_05 52:57

Okay, well, on that super positive note, thank you so much for the dog.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

We respect you.

SPEAKER_05 53:03

Thank you so much for spending some time with us. We will see you next week.

SPEAKER_02 53:07

Bye.

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